PLO hi/lo hand from MMN

scottwire · #1 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 07:56 PM

raise preflop?

flop....

Full Tilt Poker Game #5491862857: ChipTalk.net MMN #3 (41402522), Table 1 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 22:48:52 ET - 2008/03/03
Seat 3: Sandy Creek (5,660)
Seat 4: scottwire (1,763)
Seat 6: Tosh (2,675)
Seat 7: FSU88 (5,216)
Seat 8: Badger (4,736)
Seat 9: Pebbles98 (5,450)
Tosh posts the small blind of 80
FSU88 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scottwire [

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Sandy Creek has been disconnected
Sandy Creek has reconnected
Badger calls 160
Badger: autorebuy
Sandy Creek has been disconnected
Sandy Creek has reconnected
Pebbles98 has 15 seconds left to act
Pebbles98 folds
Sandy Creek calls 160
scottwire calls 160
Tosh calls 80
FSU88 checks
*** FLOP *** [

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Tosh checks
FSU88 checks
Badger checks
Sandy Creek bets 800
scottwire ...

PhilTheThrill14 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 09:13 PM

2 callers preflop ahead of you - I thin a call is fine. On that flop - raise the pot after Sandy Creek bets. You have the nut low with a 5 to cover your counterfeit. You want to push out any other hands and get heads up with Sandy.

Or you fold after his bet - I think just calling the 800 is the wrong move. You eed to get rid of A4 and A3 hands to secure your low. If he has A2 and a high (which you have pretty much nothing) then so be it.

hachkc · #3 (**permalink**) 03-05-2008, 09:20 PM

Pot it preflop. As the SS, I'm willing to make this my make or break hand. If on bubble, I may think about it but probably not.

As played, pot the flop.

scottwire · #4 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 12:21 PM

My question is this

Is it worth it to fight for half the pot.

I have no real draws to the high end.

It is a dry board that I may very well be quartered on. I get a little bit of it back because of the 800 in the pot already, but is it worth it?

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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

2 callers preflop ahead of you - I thin a call is fine. On that flop - raise the pot after Sandy Creek bets. You have the nut low with a 5 to cover your counterfeit. You want to push out any other hands and get heads up with Sandy.

Or you fold after his bet - I think just calling the 800 is the wrong move. You eed to get rid of A4 and A3 hands to secure your low. If he has A2 and a high (which you have pretty much nothing) then so be it.

PhilTheThrill14 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 12:53 PM

Well - I guess it comes down to whether or not you think Sandy Creek has the A2 and you'll quarter.

Or - maybe it's better to call - and hopefully bring in another player - so that if you do quarter, you make enough to make the risk worth it.

jojobinks · #6 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottwire

My question is this

Is it worth it to fight for half the pot.

I have no real draws to the high end.

It is a dry board that I may very well be quartered on. I get a little bit of it back because of the 800 in the pot already, but is it worth it?

i don't know. i know that if i were playing against chris ferguson, i'd assume he'd only call me there with A2 and a high. but i know i'm not playing him. why would i assume that this is likely here? against people like us, i think it's much more likely that i'm up against A4JJ or something like that. there's not a world of time in these tournaments, and i'm inclined to get it in and work on building a stack.

jojobinks · #7 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jojobinks

i don't know. i know that if i were playing against chris ferguson, i'd assume he'd only call me there with A2 and a high. but i know i'm not playing him. why would i assume that this is likely here? against people like us, i think it's much more likely that i'm up against A4JJ or something like that. there's not a world of time in these tournaments, and i'm inclined to get it in and work on building a stack.

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trutan · #8 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

Or - maybe it's better to call - and hopefully bring in another player - so that if you do quarter, you make enough to make the risk worth it.

That is exactly what I was thinking. We've only got 803 left (after calling Sandy) so we're committed at this point. However, with the nut low and no real high draw, I don't want to chase away anyone that might call the 800 to chase the high (or thinking that Sandy and Scott are betting the low).

hachkc · #9 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:44 PM

When I see someone in a ct event CALL off 1/2 his stack especially as a SS, alarms start ringing in my head.

If you are gonna call with A25Kr preflop, what more are you expecting on the flop? Hell you flopped a nut low with some protection. This why I like the raise preflop versus the call because all kinds of crap may have just hit this board. With 2 big and 3 littles, I wanna see the flop against as few players as possible.

trutan · #10 (**permalink**) 03-06-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hachkc

When I see someone in a ChipTalk.net event CALL off 1/2 his stack especially as a SS, alarms start ringing in my head.

If you are gonna call with A25Kr preflop, what more are you expecting on the flop? Hell you flopped a nut low with some protection. This why I like the raise preflop versus the call because all kinds of crap may have just hit this board. With 2 big and 3 littles, I wanna see the flop against as few players as possible.

I agree that you should raise here preflop but why push the flop? If Sandy had checked, I would agree that you pot it and hope to take it down right there. However, with Sandy leading out, you are not getting him off of his hand so why try to chase everyone else away when you are likely to get 1/2 of all additional bets?