[tim722]

Low stakes P*. What would you have done differently?

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

PokerStars Game #15486949255: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/23 - 04:23:13 (ET)
Table 'Eos III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button

Villain - $151.25
BB - $71.05
UTG - $100.70
HERO - $48.45
MP1 - $187.35
MP2 - $100.45
MP3 - $183.90
MP4 - $92.50
Button - $124.10

PREFLOP ($0.50/$1.00)
HERO is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, HERO calls $1, 3 folds, MP4 raises $1 to $2, 1 fold, Villain calls $1.50, BB calls $1, HERO calls $1.

FLOP $8.00 (4 players)
Q 7 K
Villain checks, BB checks, HERO bets $2, 1 fold, Villain calls $2, BB calls $2.

TURN $14.00 (3 players)
Q 7 K 7
Villain bets $3, BB calls $3, HERO calls $3.

RIVER $23.00 (3 players)
Q 7 K 7 Q
Villain bets $3, 1 fold, HERO raises $6 to $9, Villain calls $6.

Final Pot: $41

HERO shows [Qd Jh] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
HERO collects 39.05 from the pot.

[corn2019]

Originally Posted by tim722

PREFLOP ($0.50/$1.00)
HERO is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, HERO calls $1, 3 folds, MP4 raises $1 to $2, 1 fold, Villain calls $1.50, BB calls $1, HERO calls $1.

I don't like much about this. Limping in early position is a weak play, especially with QJ off. folding isn't terrible but you could have made it three.

FLOP $8.00 (4 players)
Q 7 K
Villain checks, BB checks, HERO bets $2, 1 fold, Villain calls $2, BB calls $2.

This is why you don't want to play QJ oop. what are you supposed to do with this flop. too many hands beat you and there is a flush draw. also if you want to lead out throw a real bet of something like 5 bucks out there.

TURN $14.00 (3 players)
Q 7 K 7
Villain bets $3, BB calls $3, HERO calls $3.

you have to be thinking you are behind here, and need a queen to win or even split the pot with someone who has aq...although unlikely b/c of the passive play preflop. let's see...it will cost you 3 dollars into a 20 pot. you may think you have 2 winning outs (although it could easily be 1 split out) and maybe you win or split with another 7. 3 is such a low bet BUT you still don't have the odds.

RIVER $23.00 (3 players)
Q 7 K 7 Q
Villain bets $3, 1 fold, HERO raises $6 to $9, Villain calls $6.

have to be thinking you sucked out here. the only hand that beats you is kk which would have been a weird slowplay the entire time. when the villain leads out with 3 that makes the pot 26. raising 6 is nothing. you could have made it 18 or 20 to go.

Final Pot: $41

HERO shows [Qd Jh] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
HERO collects 39.05 from the pot.

just a lot of small bets and passive plays. you got lucky on the river and should have raised more

[Poboy]

I don't limp in out of position. Then I wouldn't bet into the raiser with middle pair on a flush draw flop with 3 opponents in. On the turn, one of your opponents is obviously drawing to the flush. The other however probably has you beat, either with a K or 7, which means that catching a J isn't going to help you. That means you need one of two Qs. If you call here, since you don't have straight pot odds, you have to expect to make a lot of money when the bingo card hits. You get it on the river, but then you don't put in a real raise.

[tim722]

Thinking about it in retrospect, I can see the points that were made. Def. got lucky here. I am working on attacking more, and trying to have less passive play. Thanks for all the comments on the hand. It's hard to analyze someone's overall style with just one hand, but I appreciate everyone providing the input.

[tomb1]

Originally Posted by tim722

Thinking about it in retrospect, I can see the points that were made. Def. got lucky here. I am working on attacking more, and trying to have less passive play. Thanks for all the comments on the hand. It's hard to analyze someone's overall style with just one hand, but I appreciate everyone providing the input.

As played (but see below), I'd say you should fold on the turn. You're most likely beat, though the pot odds are good to call. Trouble with calling is that you're probably wasting that money -- the river is unlikely to help you and you'll still be wondering what to do. You can't call a big bet on the river so why not just fold here and move on to the next hand.

BUT if you want to be more aggressive, you have to bet out more on the flop. Make a pot-sized bet here and you'll quickly see if you get check-raised by someone trapping with a King.

Then on the river you need to bet a lot more for value. BTW what did Villain have?

So hitting your Queen on the river does not mean you played it well. But take the pot and learn a lesson. Nice hand, sir.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by tomb1

As played (but see below), I'd say you should fold on the turn. You're most likely beat, though the pot odds are good to call. Trouble with calling is that you're probably wasting that money -- the river is unlikely to help you and you'll still be wondering what to do. You can't call a big bet on the river so why not just fold here and move on to the next hand.

The small turn bet gives good odds, but not good enough if you can only win with a Q. Heads up, you don't have to give the guy a K or 7, but with two in, one of them has you beat.
There's a problem with your logic here. You say the pot odds are good to call (let's assume they are), then you say you are probably wasting your money. If you have the odds, you can't be wasting your money. The likelihood of the river helping you is factored into your odds calculation. And as for wondering what to do on the river, you should have a plan. In this case it should be to fold a non-Q, and to raise at least the size of the pot if you catch one.

Originally Posted by tim722

I am working on attacking more, and trying to have less passive play.

Raise or fold preflop. Limping is passive. Attack when you have value. Your spots will typically be heads up, big draws, and big hands. Attack when raisers give up post flop (sometimes, not every time) by checking.

[tim722]

to the best of my memory, Villain had KJos, without consulting the hand history. I can go back and look, and post later.

I'm working on the raise or fold preflop strategy. It tends to work pretty well when I remind myself to do it.

[StevenH72]

Fold pre-flop......or suck-out on river as played

[StevenH72]

why are you playing with a short-stack btw?