[miandsh2000]

couple of our players made it deep in a $600 local event with a $35k first prize payout. one went out in 11th and the event ended in this way for him:

they are down to 11 players. 5.2M chips in play -- so avg chip stack is about $430K. one player has over 2M in chips and another has about 1M (so 2 players have over half the chips in play). blinds as $15k/$30k with $5k antes. 6 players at this table, 5 at the other.

the 2 players in this hand have about $450k (our player) and $550k (villian).

villian is UTG and makes it $90k to go. villian has been an extreme LAG both days that our player has been at the table with him. action folds around to our player who is the BB, so its another $60k to call (there is $165k in pot).

our player moves all-in with

villian turns over



board comes (4 and 7 are not the actual cards but they are 2 lower than the J and not connected or suited)


question is - lets say he just called the PF raise and didnt move all in, after the hits the flop -- how many folks are not loosing most of their stack, if not all? if our player leads out after the flop he is getting re-raised for all his chips and if he checks he is going to be facing a bet that he has to at least call. right?

could this hand have worked out differently?

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by miandsh2000

the 2 players in this hand have about $450k (our player) and $550k (villian).

FYP.

Originally Posted by miandsh2000

could this hand have worked out differently?

Yes. He could have caught an A or J on the river to double-up.
At least, that's how it would have played out if I was the guy with KK.

I made practically the same play in a SnG the other night. Down to 5 players. Big raise from a LAG in the SB. I pushed with AJo from the BB. My image was uber-tight (had only played 4 hands so far, only because I'd been card-dead for the entire game; this was the best hand I'd had, no exaggeration). In that case, he called, flipped over A3s and hit the flush. Nothing I could do.

Same situation here. If your friend just calls, he flops TPTK, and with those stacks, he's bound to get it all-in no matter what (either bet-raise-all-in or check-bet-checkraise).

[links_slayer]

If I just call the PF raise and that flop comes out, I'm getting felted.

[BrettButter]

It's going to be a tough hand to get away from if he sees the flop with that hand.

If villain is playing extremely LAG, I'd say the push is acceptable due to fold equity. Flat call would also be normal here, and when you hit a flop like that, you're going to go broke most of the time.

On another note, there's an argument for a fold as well. I've folded this hand pre-flop before in similar situations, but not usually to a LAG. I hate playing AJ out of position. Not too often, but it is a fold every once and a while.

[Poboy]

Seems standard v. LAG. What tournament is this? I used to live in Ffx Station (ie Lorton).

[whataboutj]

With the Villan being an indentified LAG I don't see how the hero wouldn't be all in post flop with that hand, eventhough i don't agree with the pre flop All In the end result would be the same IMO post flop


So now where's the end of the story where he spikes another J or an A on the river

[miandsh2000]

Originally Posted by whataboutj

...So now where's the end of the story where he spikes another J or an A on the river

for his sake, i wish i could say that. he ended up taking 11th place for $1500. that hand ended his night.

[whataboutj]

Originally Posted by miandsh2000

for his sake, i wish i could say that. he ended up taking 11th place for $1500. that hand ended his night.

D'oh -- missed that part of the OP (I just re-read it)

11th is still a good showing and $1500 isn't a bad payout.