[xtwalker]

Not sure how to use a hand converter tool... maybe I'll learn soon.

At anyrate... Vilain is running 20/6/2.6 and -5BB/100 over 2700 hands.

Not sure if I played this correctly or not, would like to get another set of eyes or 50 on it. I am really wondering about my bet sizing on the turn. Didnt feel right at the time...

UTG folds.
UTG +1 folds.
CO folds.
Vilain raises to $.85.
SB folds.
xtwalker (Ac Js) re-raises to $2.65.
Vilain calls.

Flop (board: 4d Ah Ad):

xtwalker checks. Vilain checks.
Turn (board: 4d Ah Ad 5h):

xtwalker bets $3.50. Vilain calls.

At this point I put the vilain on TT-QQ, maybe a small suited Ace. Thought from the bet size I would find out quickly if I were wrong

River (board: 4d Ah Ad 5h 9h):

xtwalker bets $5.50. Vilain goes all-in for
$16.78. xtwalker ?????

[jojobinks]

i'd say he's almost certainly got an ace.
i'd not reraise preflop. as played, bet the flop, call the shove.

oh the bet size: i think it's good. you're happy for him to call your "weak bet" if he's got a pair. .

[littlebu]

Why didn't you bet the flop? Also I would have just smooth called pre. Betting the flop makes it easier to get it all in later.

[Colquhoun]

When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it belonged in the Poker Table Forum....

[FlopZnuts]

I don't play cash games much online anymore and I am not really certain what the stats mean (I assume it is Poker Tracker or something similar?) but here is how I would have played it.

Pre-flop - not really sure I would have re-raised with AJ off in the first place OOP. Personally, I hate the hand because it is easily dominated - and you could be in trouble especially from someone who has already raised you. However, if the guy has been playing like a maniac, raising and re-raising with much lesser holdings then I can certainly see a call or even re-raise with it, but I proceed cautiously.

Flop - In this situation with this flop I bet at least the pot, maybe a little more to price them out of their flush draw if they have one. I definitely am NOT checking though. Make them PAY to draw out on you. (This assumes your trips are good, hopefully you are not out kicked.)

Not sure why you checked the flop though. Personally, I try really hard not to slow play set's and trips. If I fill up that is different, but I have been crushed too many times by straights and flushes with 3 of a kind that I make them PAY to hit their draw!

Turn - At this point I probably put them all in because if they were stupid enough to call the flop bet on a backdoor flush draw I don't want to see another card. If I get called and loose to the flush or with a better kicker they'll just have to take my money I guess. But, like I said, I may be a donk!

[xtwalker]

Originally Posted by FlopZnuts

I don't play cash games much online anymore and I am not really certain what the stats mean (I assume it is Poker Tracker or something similar?)

The stats mean that the player voluntarily puts money into the pot on 20% of their hands, and raises on 6% of their hands. The 2.6 means they are a fairly aggresssive player after the flop.

I re-raised because I thought the vilain was stealing the blinds. 3rd or 4th orbit that he had raised my blind when folded to them, on two tables. Seemed to be very frequent for such a low raising stat. When I was called I figured they had to be on a mid PP or a decent Ace A9-AQ.

I was playing stupid at the time, a little tilted from another table I was playing. My thoughts on the flop were, if I lead out, I am called or raised only by hands that beat me. If I check I let those mid PP's get comfortable for a bet on the turn. The flat call on the turn made me think he had TT or QQ.

Essentially I tried making this a bloated pot, instead of taking down the few $$$ that was in pre-flop. This is a tactic I use a lot in live play where I feel I generally have an advantage in post-flop play, but don't know why I tried it here.

Long story short... vilain had 4h 6h. Called $3.50 on the turn with bottom pair and a small flush draw and pushed when he hit the flush on the river.

Just wanted the thoughts to remind me of some basic stuff I forget after playing online for a while.

[TheMightyJim2k]

don't reraise a 20/6 preflop from OOP with a dominated hand. His stats indicate that his raising range is tight and polarized (he's probably raising really strong hands and really weak hands), but that he also is not afraid to call a 3-bet and play postflop. your hand doesn't play well postflop, especially OOP so you definitely should just call and take a flop. I would be much more likely to 3-bet someone with stats like 15/13 or 25/20 pf. Someone who has a wider opening range, but tends to fold a larger portion of the time when 3-bet.

all that out of the way, you shouldn't overdo checking this flop. I don't mind it if you also check here with some weak hands that are giving up, but if you c-bet this flop every time you miss then you need to bet the flop a good portion of the time when you smash it to. Purely for balance sake. But I think the check here is fine if you think you can extract value from this guy on the turn and river (it would be more helpful to have WTSD stats and some other stuff in determining that).

On the turn I would probably bet slightly more, but I think your bet is pretty good. One thing to note is how quickly he calls your turn bet. If he calls quickly then he probably is drawing or has a weak hand looking to pick off a bluff. If he takes awhile then he is likely considering raising with another Ax hand.

The river is tough. Obviously you are making a standard value bet, but I think your bet size is a makes it tough. If you bet more then you would obviously have to call his shove. But getting 3-1 you are right at the borderline. I don't see this guy shoving worse hands often enough, but he only has to be shoving a worse Ax or bluffing a little over 25% of the time for this call to be profitable. I think the call is fine, although I don't think folding would be horrible either.

[Poboy]

I don't mind the 3bet. PT doesn't have a 3bet or call 3bet% stat, how are you figuring that TMJ? I don't like the idea of calling. Either 3bet or fold. Calling is useless. If you 3bet, you gotta bet the flop. It doesn't matter if he's got the AQ/AK this time. At this point, if he re-raises, you can fold. If he bluffed, good for him, but it cost him a lot to do it.

If he just calls, you pot control the turn/river.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by Poboy

I don't mind the 3bet. PT doesn't have a 3bet or call 3bet% stat, how are you figuring that TMJ? I don't like the idea of calling. Either 3bet or fold. Calling is useless. If you 3bet, you gotta bet the flop. It doesn't matter if he's got the AQ/AK this time. At this point, if he re-raises, you can fold. If he bluffed, good for him, but it cost him a lot to do it.

If he just calls, you pot control the turn/river.

guys that have VPIP that are quite a bit larger than their pfr usually like to take flops even in raised pots. So when someone is 20/6 that means that not only is he limping sometimes, but some of his good hands are going to be cold-calling pf, and that he doesn't mind seeing a flop even if he doesn't have the pf initiative. I know it isn't an exact thing, but a no limit player with a lot more experience than me pointed it out to me, and said that it it is fairly reliable.

Also I don't think you have to bet the flop all of the time. If this player likes to make somewhat suspicious call downs, and you think that with hands like TT-55 you can get him to call a turn bet then checking the flop and making a weak lead at the turn is acceptable. You then might be able to make a larger bet at the river that really looks like a last ditch bluff attempt.

That being said I don't think this player is thinking on this level, and I think you are going to have trouble extracting value after 3-betting this preflop. That is why I see the advantage in calling. His range isn't so strong that he is crushing you preflop (6% is often misleading because it isn't usually the top 6% but like the top 3 or 4% and then some random stuff) and you don't mind playing postflop with this guy. If you had just called preflop you could call or c/r on the flop, and I don't think he puts you on Ax a ton of the time and you can extract more value.

If you had position on this player I think the 3-bet is meh, but fine. But out of position against a guy that is very likely to take a flop when you 3-bet, I really don't like it. AJ just doesn't play that well, and typically if you get action when you flop an A you're going to be in trouble.

[tomb1]

One street too late for both your bets IMO. I think in the long run you're better off c-betting the flop. Too many ways to lose when you keep giving him free/cheap cards -- the turn bet makes it too cheap for him to call/draw.

I like the PF raise because he was likely stealing. He got caught but called -- good for you most of the time. But take his money before he hits something. Even if you check the flop, then pot the turn. You'll find out if you're beat.

Just my 2¢.