[Hopin2Steal]

Cash game, NL $.50/$1

We have and in BB. Raise $1 pre-flop. 6 players join in. Flop comes



SB checks, We bet $2. Callers all round. Turn card:



So we have the nut flush, and a potential low hand. SB checks, we check, check, check, Bet of $11, fold, fold, we call, fold, fold. So now it's head's up.



We check.

Other guy goes all-in for $92.
We have $98 and this other guy was pissed on an earlier pot lost to us that cost him $25. Do we call or fold?

[PhilTheThrill14]

I did some quick math - seems like an overbet to me. If I don;t have any read on this guy overbetting the pot like that on the river, I think I'm calling here.

But then again, I don't have a whole lot invested here - I can let it go and wait for a better spot. He could have the low and a full boat.

So.....I guess I'm not sure.....

[gmunny]

I agree with Phil, fold. There just isn't enough in the pot. It's too easy for the guy to have A2 or A3 with QQ, 66 or 77. Unless you have a very good read on how he plays, it's not worth it. Interesting that its NL instead of PL. I don't think I'd like playing Omaha NL.

[hachkc]

First, I wouldn't have played the hand this way. I definitely bet more on the flop.

Second, I probably fold. You are basically calling $92 to probably win like $25 as it looks like you have about $50 in the pot (7x$2 preflop + 7x$2 flop + 2x$11 turn). I don't see you scooping as you don't have a single nut hand (flush on paired board and 4th nut low so you'll break even on the $92 and are really just playing for the half the $50 pot. I've I have a good read on him where he'll overbet with just a low and such, I may call but still its a longshot especially if he's a decent player. As for the overbet, if he's sitting on the 2xNut or a nut low and any boat and maybe even a weak flush, I push in his seat all day long and hope you call.

Knowing how players play is very important in this game. Will the player chase a nut low off the end of cliff, do they bet it hard, do they typically showdown big hands, etc.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by gmunny

Interesting that its NL instead of PL. I don't think I'd like playing Omaha NL.

In PL, making this call is easier. NL08 is such a gamblers game IMO and playing any low only hand is such a huge risk once you removed the pot betting protection. Definitely need to know the competition IMO.

[AceDeuceNoUse]

Originally Posted by hachkc

First, I wouldn't have played the hand this way. I definitely bet more on the flop.

Second, I probably fold. You are basically calling $92 to probably win like $25 as it looks like you have about $50 in the pot (7x$2 preflop + 7x$2 flop + 2x$11 turn). I don't see you scooping as you don't have a single nut hand (flush on paired board and 4th nut low so you'll break even on the $92 and are really just playing for the half the $50 pot. I've I have a good read on him where he'll overbet with just a low and such, I may call but still its a longshot especially if he's a decent player. As for the overbet, if he's sitting on the 2xNut or a nut low and any boat and maybe even a weak flush, I push in his seat all day long and hope you call.

Knowing how players play is very important in this game. Will the player chase a nut low off the end of cliff, do they bet it hard, do they typically showdown big hands, etc.

Originally Posted by hachkc

In PL, making this call is easier. NL08 is such a gamblers game IMO and playing any low only hand is such a huge risk once you removed the pot betting protection. Definitely need to know the competition IMO.

What Cmdr. Penguin said, twice. Without a reliable read (and/or a long PT history) on the villain, I wait for a better spot. Drop back and punt.

[Hopin2Steal]

Good call peeps! Unfortuantely, I ended up making the call, putting the guy on a steal. He had a 5 and a Q; and an A and a 2.

[w16227]

Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

I did some quick math - seems like an overbet to me. If I don;t have any read on this guy overbetting the pot like that on the river, I think I'm calling here.

But then again, I don't have a whole lot invested here - I can let it go and wait for a better spot. He could have the low and a full boat.

So.....I guess I'm not sure.....

Bingo - no way for you to tell what to do here.

NL O8 is a horrible version of the game. Takes away a significant edge. the variance goes through the roof in a split game that is not capped.

You have ONLY a flush - and the 4th nut low. Two marginal hands. In PL and limit - probably an easy call with the information that you have given.

I would fold - mostly because of the number players seeing the flop. Just too many cards out there that could crush you right now for high. The turn bet weeded the rest out, but what is remaining???? He has to give you credit for either a high hand or decent low draw (possibly a combination of the two) and the river brings all kinds of low possibilities.

I see the low hand being your strength, with a backdoor into the high. Problem is, I do not see you doing anything other than splitting the pot at best unless the other player is a total maniac. if your low is good, your high is junk. If your high is good, your low is junk. The times you somehow scoop or 3/4 will be more than offset by the times you are quartered and lose the whole thing. Run Forrest, run.