[scottwire]

It has taken me a while to find my aggressive self.

I used to be an extremely tight nit and as I've gotten better at post flop play, I have gone from an 18/6 to a 25/11 player at 6max. I probably still call too many raises but that's another issue.

I have been playing solid lately and shown down some big pairs recently.

Villian in this hand is 24/8 and has been pretty solid.

So first I will post without the showdown to get a feel for what you guys think of my play and then afterwards I want to get a feel for how you think villian played.


Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $73.45
BB: $44.45
UTG: $31.10
Hero (MP): $48.40
CO: $62.05
BTN: $22.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5 4 (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($4) T 6 2 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00,

SB takes a long long time before min checkraising
At this point I think he is full of it
I have a flush and gutshot draw

SB raises to $6.00, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($16) 8 (2 Players)
SB bets $16.00,

Pot size bet, I think he is still full of it
I have the flush draw and now a double bellybuster, so plenty of outs if I am wrong. So I push...

Hero raises all-in to $40.65, SB calls $24.65

In retrospect I should have raised the flop I think, but I'm still not sure.

Is this pointless and he is pot committed no matter what?

Too aggressive?

[Poboy]

I think your shove is likely -EV, but probably not by much. I can't fault you for it, though I don't know why you're so convinced he's FOS. I'd probably shove too.

A re-raise on the flop probably doesn't change what happened much.
Good hand.

[PhilTheThrill14]

I hate it when I play and my brain says: "He's full of it" and skipps any other logical reasoning. Usually a very brief period (within 30 seconds) after that I am spewing chips.

It's great to be aggressive - but you still need to stop and think about the hand and what your opponent could have. These are just the thoughts I had when I read your hand history - not implying you didn;t stop and think.....am I making any sense.

[dad604]

You have 15 outs with one card to come. If you call the $16, pot odd is almost 1-1 but with imply odds, I think it is worth the call but not the all in. And all your outs might not be good if he is also on flush drw.

Also, I don't think 64s is a raising hand MP but that is just me. Mostly likely I would have folded.

[scottwire]

My general take when solid looking players min check raise the flop then pot the turn is that they don't have much and are trying to push you off your hand.

Right or wrong it is what I've seen it many times and I've done similar plays myself. Generally someone with a strong hand does not want to blow you off your hand.

The line I see is usually "check raise to find out if you have a hand" then "if he just calls he must not have anything so I'll pot the turn".

I don't play this hand the same way against all players, it was just the way I felt was the best to play it at the time. I generally play the best mathematical play but I also like to go with my gut when plays don't make sense to me based on my perception of the player.

Calling just didn't seem to be the best play but maybe it is better mathematically than raising, I just haven't done the math yet.

[jamby]

Sorry to play dumb here (I'm not playing) but I'm wondering just what the seeming ratio references indicate?

Originally Posted by scottwire

...gone from an 18/6 to a 25/11 player at 6max....Villian in this hand is 24/8 and has been pretty solid.

[scottwire]

Originally Posted by jamby

Sorry to play dumb here (I'm not playing) but I'm wondering just what the seeming ratio references indicate?

first number is vpip (precentage of hands voluntarily put money in pot) and second is pfr (percentage of hands raised preflop)

[littlebu]

I would have repopped the flop. Either way though the same effect with that turn so it's kinda meh. NH.

Originally Posted by scottwire

It has taken me a while to find my aggressive self.

I used to be an extremely tight nit and as I've gotten better at post flop play, I have gone from an 18/6 to a 25/11 player at 6max. I probably still call too many raises but that's another issue.

I have been playing solid lately and shown down some big pairs recently.

Villian in this hand is 24/8 and has been pretty solid.

So first I will post without the showdown to get a feel for what you guys think of my play and then afterwards I want to get a feel for how you think villian played.


Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $73.45
BB: $44.45
UTG: $31.10
Hero (MP): $48.40
CO: $62.05
BTN: $22.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5 4 (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($4) T 6 2 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00,

SB takes a long long time before min checkraising
At this point I think he is full of it
I have a flush and gutshot draw

SB raises to $6.00, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($16) 8 (2 Players)
SB bets $16.00,

Pot size bet, I think he is still full of it
I have the flush draw and now a double bellybuster, so plenty of outs if I am wrong. So I push...

Hero raises all-in to $40.65, SB calls $24.65

In retrospect I should have raised the flop I think, but I'm still not sure.

Is this pointless and he is pot committed no matter what?

Too aggressive?

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by scottwire

My general take when solid looking players min check raise the flop then pot the turn is that they don't have much and are trying to push you off your hand.

Right or wrong it is what I've seen it many times and I've done similar plays myself. Generally someone with a strong hand does not want to blow you off your hand.

The line I see is usually "check raise to find out if you have a hand" then "if he just calls he must not have anything so I'll pot the turn".

If this is the case, then you definitely don't want to re-raise on the flop.
He could easily be betting TPTK and trying to make you pay to draw.

Calling just didn't seem to be the best play but maybe it is better mathematically than raising, I just haven't done the math yet.

I don't want to fold, and I don't know what I'd do on a blank river if he bets again. That leaves shoving.

[99%evil]

If you are playing the guy as pretty solid...I'm not sure I get the read. Anyway, nice catch on the river.

Maybe he has Q,T and is a bit leary of both a big pocket pair and the draws and is concerned that you may call even without the proper odds. Or he's playing 7,9 and got lucky on the turn and you caught the flush on the river to take it down...