[trutan]

Set Up:

18 tourney (9 months x 2 tourneys per) HE league that sends 2 or 3 players to a 2008 WSOP $1500 event.

Buy-ins are $50 per tourney with 50% paid out and 50% into the WSOP kitty.

Points are awarded for each of the 18 tourneys as follows 1^st–300, 2^nd-275, 3^rd-250, 4^th-225, 5^th-200, 6^th-175, 7^th-150, 8^th-125, 9^th-100, 10^th on down all get 50.

After 18 tourneys, there is a Main Event in which starting chips = accumulated points from all 18 tourneys. Final 2 or 3 finishers get the WSOP bids.

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1^st Tourney of the new season
1500 starting stack
Blinds are 100/200
12 of 18 left (2 tables of 6)
We have about 3500 (around 3^rd or 4^th in chips)

Based solely on the 1.5 hours of play thus far, Player B is tight/passive.

Player A is the big stack with about 5,000 and has played a solid TAG’ish game but others’ comments lead us to believe that he can be a maniac. Player A won the only WSOP bid last year and actually cashed in a $1500 NLHE event for $3000+.



Player A posts SB of 100
Hero posts BB of 200
2 folds
Player B moves all-in for 1200
1 fold
Player A calls the additional 1100
Hero looks down at AQo



Action??????

[whataboutj]

I say fold - it would be a tempting call but for approximately 1/3 of your chips you are most likely looking at a race with potentially no over cards at all and possibly a good amount of potential draw cards out already. Given the description of player A who first moves all in I am guessing they have AA or KK. The player who called having JJ thru AA and looking to take out a player. Even if both have a mix of strong suited connectors or gap connectors like AK-J you are flipping a coin at best. Why risk it when most likely someone is going out or would take a hug hit to their stack.
Just my $.02 - looking forward to seeing other responses
J

[trutan]

Originally Posted by whataboutj

looking forward to seeing other responses
J

Me too

[jojobinks]

easy fold.

[c230drvr]

Originally Posted by trutan

Set Up:

18 tourney (9 months x 2 tourneys per) HE league that sends 2 or 3 players to a 2008 WSOP $1500 event.

Buy-ins are $50 per tourney with 50% paid out and 50% into the WSOP kitty.

Points are awarded for each of the 18 tourneys as follows 1^st–300, 2^nd-275, 3^rd-250, 4^th-225, 5^th-200, 6^th-175, 7^th-150, 8^th-125, 9^th-100, 10^th on down all get 50.

After 18 tourneys, there is a Main Event in which starting chips = accumulated points from all 18 tourneys. Final 2 or 3 finishers get the WSOP bids.

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1^st Tourney of the new season
1500 starting stack
Blinds are 100/200
12 of 18 left (2 tables of 6)
We have about 3500 (around 3^rd or 4^th in chips)

Based solely on the 1.5 hours of play thus far, Player B is tight/passive.

Player A is the big stack with about 5,000 and has played a solid TAG’ish game but others’ comments lead us to believe that he can be a maniac. Player A won the only WSOP bid last year and actually cashed in a $1500 NLHE event for $3000+.



Player A posts SB of 100
Hero posts BB of 200
2 folds
Player B moves all-in for 1200
1 fold
Player A calls the additional 1100
Hero looks down at AQo



Action??????

Fold..player A might be a maniac....player B is most likely thee with a hand better than AQ...in either case AQ is not really a good enough hand to call an all in and a call..I would only be 3rd in pot like that with AA or KK as you know at worst you are againt PP and Ax

[jmc]

Your main considerations are this:
Short stack moves all in for 1200 -- it's a standard play. He could have anything from a small pocket pair to something like A9o. He's probably not your concern.
Your problem is that the SB merely called.
That's an extremely threatening call. If you think he's a decent player, he would reraise with a hand like AQ or AK. If he's calling, he probably doesn't mind having you in the hand -- I'd tend to fold unless I knew he was the type that didn't understand the isolation play (unlikely because he did cash in a $1.5k tourny, but you never know).

Also, your stack is 3500 and blinds are 100/200. You can afford to wait a little more before you decide to get it all in preflop 3-ways, with a decent chance of facing at least one pocket pair and possibly AA/KK/QQ.

[trutan]

Well, I thought it was a pretty easy fold as well (glad to see that I'm not alone). I put the ss on a middle pair and then when the big stack (SB) called, I figured pp and AK. I folded face up and everyone at my table said they would hav called . Didn't have much time to discuss it but was kind of glad to hear thm say that actually.

Not that it matters but here is how the hand turned out.

SS had 88
SB had QJ ?????

Flop 2,4,J
Turn A
River Q


Didn't matter though as I went on to win the first tourney anyway

[WVHillbilly]

That's why you don't fold face-up in this spot. Who cares what they would have done. You played the hand correctly. Half of them probably only said they would have called based on the results of the hand anyway. Just throw your cards away and remember what a weak holding the SB called the all-in with.

Congrats on the win.

[jmc]

Originally Posted by trutan

Well, I thought it was a pretty easy fold as well (glad to see that I'm not alone). I put the ss on a middle pair and then when the big stack (SB) called, I figured pp and AK. I folded face up and everyone at my table said they would hav called . Didn't have much time to discuss it but was kind of glad to hear thm say that actually.

Not that it matters but here is how the hand turned out.

SS had 88
SB had QJ ?????

Flop 2,4,J
Turn A
River Q


Didn't matter though as I went on to win the first tourney anyway

Time to re-evaluate what you think about player A.

[trutan]

Originally Posted by jmc

Time to re-evaluate what you think about player A.

Agreed!

This was the first time I had ever played with him. Everyone kept saying what a maniac he could be but during the first 1.5 hours I saw him fold to raises when appropriate and he had only tabled solid hands.