[Harlequin011]

Loose $1/3 game

All stacks about $400. $250 in mine.

Six limpers go around to the button who raises to $25. Button is very aggressive and often over-plays his hands. He is also a little sticky and gets pounded when he has to make hard decisions. (Kinda like me)

There are 2 callers to me.
I call the $25 with KJh ( I know, I know. Horrible. Just gambooling here though)
cut-off folds ( I thought he'd call ATC )

Flop

Kc9hTc

Checks to me.
I check, not wanting to find a guy lurking in the weeds on me. My hand isn't any good here, as far as I can tell.

Button checks.
He stalled for half a sec like he wanted to bet, but checked off. The flop missed him. I have no idea what hes got, but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the board.

Turn

Qd

Checks to me. I make it $50 with my straight. Button re-pops to $150 instantly.

Great! Now what?

[tastic]

AJ and turned broadway? Perhaps he considered a bluff on the flop and decided instead to take the free draw and that was the reason for the slight pause then check?

Perhaps he flopped a set of 9 or T and decided to slowplay on the flop, although with the draws out there you'd think a flopped set would bet here...hard one...I dunno

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by tastic

AJ and turned broadway? Perhaps he considered a bluff on the flop and decided instead to take the free draw and that was the reason for the slight pause then check?

Perhaps he flopped a set of 9 or T and decided to slowplay on the flop, although with the draws out there you'd think a flopped set would bet here...hard one...I dunno

Or he could've flopped a 4-flush, thought about betting it, then raised the turn on a semi-bluff given all the possibilities you'd have to consider.

I'm leaning towards the "flopped a set", though. He might've been tempted to bet it with the draws available, then realized nobody had semi-bluffed their draws (a likely move), so decided to slow-play afterall and now wants to apply some pressure given said multiple possibilities.

The only hand you're losing to right now is AJ. That's pretty unlikely given you're holding one of the Js, even though it might be consistent with his play. Calling pot-commits you, so you'd might as well push here, and pray you don't see another and the board doesn't pair on the river (another reason for pushing vs. calling; don't want to have to think about what to do if the board pairs). If he has AJ or he sucks out the flush or boat/quads on the river, then it's a tough break.

Why do I get the feeling he has AJ and another A falls on the river for a split pot?

[TheMightyJim2k]

I'm guessing this is the game that you play in regularly, so I figure you might be able to give us a little more info.

....is the button TAG or LAG? What do his overbets PF mean? What position are you in? Is it HU after you get raised on the turn (ie has everyone else already folded or are there others waiting to act)?

Also I think the pot was $100 on the flop, and $300 after his turn raise with it being a $100 back to you to call. you also have $175 left in your stack...correct?

I am pretty sure I know what I am doing, but if you can fill in those blanks it should make it easier to make a decision.

[jmc]

I more or less agree with what jdunford said. I'll add one additional hand to the list not already mentioned -- QQ. You've mentioned that he would overplay his hands -- sounds like someone got scared of the K on the board so he checked his QQ on the flop, then decided to hit the gas when he made a set (without realizing that there's a one card straight on the board). JJ is another possibility.

What boggles my mind is that you decided to call 10% of your stack preflop (OOP against the raiser) and decide to go weak-tight when you flop top pair (likely to be the best hand). To me, it seems like you're just throwing money away if you're gonna play that way.

You might consider not giving your post a title that would lead posters into making certian assumptions about the hand -- this way you'll get unbiased advice.

[miandsh2000]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

I call the $25 with KJh

Flop
Kh9cTc

sitting here with a cold today and kinda loopy on medicine but am i reading correctly here?

Kh in hand and Kh on flop?

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

I'm guessing this is the game that you play in regularly, so I figure you might be able to give us a little more info.

Yes, it's my regular game

....is the button TAG or LAG? What do his overbets PF mean? What position are you in? Is it HU after you get raised on the turn (ie has everyone else already folded or are there others waiting to act)?

Textbook LAG. His PF bet like this in his position is probably a steal with a moderate hand, a big hand would have bet even bigger. I'm right before him and it's now heads up after he raised everyone else folded to me.

Also I think the pot was $100 on the flop, and $300 after his turn raise with it being a $100 back to you to call. you also have $175 left in your stack...correct?

Yes, on all counts.

I am pretty sure I know what I am doing, but if you can fill in those blanks it should make it easier to make a decision.

I've been looking forward to your response.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by jmc

I more or less agree with what jdunford said. I'll add one additional hand to the list not already mentioned -- QQ. You've mentioned that he would overplay his hands -- sounds like someone got scared of the K on the board so he checked his QQ on the flop, then decided to hit the gas when he made a set (without realizing that there's a one card straight on the board). JJ is another possibility.

What boggles my mind is that you decided to call 10% of your stack preflop (OOP against the raiser) and decide to go weak-tight when you flop top pair (likely to be the best hand). To me, it seems like you're just throwing money away if you're gonna play that way.

You might consider not giving your post a title that would lead posters into making certian assumptions about the hand -- this way you'll get unbiased advice.

good stuff here. I didn't want to get into this, but the preflop call is horrible. And assuming you had position on everyone but the button you probably want to bet the flop (although you really don't want any action since your hand is about as weak as TP can be).

The fact that you don't feel good about betting out, but checking might be worse just shows how bad of an idea it is to call raises with KJo in NL. Especially when the pot is already 40% of your stack on the flop.

This is a must fold preflop.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

I've been looking forward to your response.

shove. If he has AJ that is too bad. There are too many combos of hands, turned set, flush draw and a pair, JJ for the same straight, etc that you have equity on. you can't be scared of the nuts when you get raised by a LAG on a scary board and you have the second nuts.

Right now there is $300 in the pot, and calling would be silly. It would leave you with $75 behind in a $400 pot, and you certainly can't fold on the river for that little. I would say it is almost certain he is going to call the last $75, but you should be ahead most of the time, so it is +EV.

I'll run some pokerstove ranges and put them up here in just a minute.

[Harlequin011]

Hello!

Did you guys read this?

I call the $25 with KJh ( I know, I know. Horrible. Just gambooling here though)

That is why the title says "Got in Trouble"

lets focus on the current action.

I can't bet the flop here. Any reasonable bet $50-$100, will get called, it's that kind of game. At this time, I'd be committed on the turn with just about anything, having to fold to any bet. I'm not trying to compound my dumb pre-flop play and minimize my losses.