7 Stud question

99%evil · #1 (**permalink**) 07-05-2007, 02:04 PM

I don't play a lot of stud, but I've been trying to get better at it. The following hand went down and I wanted to see if I was too fishy. Before the river I had an open ended straight draw and a flush draw...no one showed any pairs and the flushes were not showing. Only reason I was in the hand to start was I was the bring-in, then I hit my 7 to give me an open ended draw

PokerStars Game #10782964736: 7 Card Stud Limit ($0.10/$0.20) - 2007/07/05 - 14:57:43 (ET)
Table 'Pepita' 8-max
Seat 1: thar she be ($4.73 in chips)
Seat 2: jackb@arts ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 4: 27779 ($3.96 in chips)
Seat 5: Scarface XXL ($7.94 in chips)
Seat 6: Smullyan ($4.57 in chips)
Seat 7: FranknRose ($3.01 in chips)
Seat 8: CBJ13 ($4 in chips)
thar she be: posts the ante $0.02
jackb@arts: posts the ante $0.02
27779: posts the ante $0.02
Scarface XXL: posts the ante $0.02
Smullyan: posts the ante $0.02
FranknRose: posts the ante $0.02
CBJ13: posts the ante $0.02
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to thar she be [Kh]
Dealt to jackb@arts [Qd]
Dealt to 27779 [Js]
Dealt to Scarface XXL [7c]
Dealt to Smullyan [9d]
Dealt to FranknRose [Qc]
Dealt to CBJ13 [9c 8h 6s]
CBJ13: brings in for $0.05
thar she be: calls $0.05
jackb@arts: calls $0.05
27779: folds
Scarface XXL: calls $0.05
Smullyan: folds
FranknRose: calls $0.05
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to thar she be [Kh] [8s]
Dealt to jackb@arts [Qd] [2c]
Dealt to Scarface XXL [7c] [Jh]
Dealt to FranknRose [Qc] [4d]
Dealt to CBJ13 [9c 8h 6s] [7h]
thar she be: checks
jackb@arts: bets $0.10
Scarface XXL: calls $0.10
FranknRose: calls $0.10
CBJ13: calls $0.10
thar she be: calls $0.10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to thar she be [Kh 8s] [Ad]
Dealt to jackb@arts [Qd 2c] [5h]
Dealt to Scarface XXL [7c Jh] [2h]
Dealt to FranknRose [Qc 4d] [8c]
Dealt to CBJ13 [9c 8h 6s 7h] [Qh]
thar she be: bets $0.20
jackb@arts: calls $0.20
Scarface XXL: calls $0.20
FranknRose: calls $0.20
CBJ13: calls $0.20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to thar she be [Kh 8s Ad] [5c]
Dealt to jackb@arts [Qd 2c 5h] [9h]
Dealt to Scarface XXL [7c Jh 2h] [6c]
Dealt to FranknRose [Qc 4d 8c] [Tc]
Dealt to CBJ13 [9c 8h 6s 7h Qh] [4h]
thar she be: bets $0.20
jackb@arts: calls $0.20
Scarface XXL: calls $0.20
FranknRose: calls $0.20
CBJ13: calls $0.20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to CBJ13 [9c 8h 6s 7h Qh 4h] [Ts]
thar she be: checks
jackb@arts: bets $0.20
Scarface XXL: folds
FranknRose: folds
CBJ13: raises $0.20 to $0.40
thar she be: folds
FranknRose is sitting out
FranknRose has returned
jackb@arts: calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CBJ13: shows [9c 8h 6s 7h Qh 4h Ts] (a straight, Six to Ten)
jackb@arts: mucks hand
CBJ13 collected $3.52 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.69 | Rake $0.17
Seat 1: thar she be folded on the River
Seat 2: jackb@arts mucked [Qs 5d Qd 2c 5h 9h 3d]
Seat 4: 27779 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Scarface XXL folded on the River
Seat 6: Smullyan folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FranknRose folded on the River
Seat 8: CBJ13 showed [9c 8h 6s 7h Qh 4h Ts] and won ($3.52) with a straight, Six to Ten

xtwalker · #2 (**permalink**) 07-05-2007, 02:36 PM

I'm no stud expert, but I think you played the hand pretty well. I think you are asking if you should have thrown in a semi-bluff/raise for value on 6th street, to me the answer is no. A lot of your outs are showing in other players hands. I think I counted 4 of your flush cards and 2 of your straight cards are showing already. Didn't spend much time on the math, but I think you only had 10 outs there. Five for the flush and five more for the staight.

When I play stud I always try to read the other players boards to recalculate my ods as accurately as I can.

Anyone see holes in my reasoning?

Big Mike · #3 (**permalink**) 07-05-2007, 02:49 PM

I also don't play much stud, but I certainly wouldn't have been raising on sixth. If a raise was called for anywhere, it might be on fourth, after you pick up the oesd. I imagine you have an equity advantage there vs four opponents.

99%evil · #4 (**permalink**) 07-05-2007, 02:51 PM

Yeah, there were a few of my outs on the board...not sure what to do...I'm not used to limit play. Just seemed cheap to hang around.

yeltzen · #5 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 08:33 AM

You played the hand 100% correctly. On third street, that hand is an easy fold because a 7 is dead... unless, of course, you're the bring-in. Once you got a 7 on fourth street, you're going to the river as long as you can do it cheaply. You never had to pay more than one full bet, so you're just going to keep calling and hope to hit.

The good news is that the pot is multi-way, so you're definitely making out on your draw.

NH SIR

Harlequin011 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 09:51 AM

In seven card, you need to manage the pot size. Specifically on fixed limit betting.

I can't see anything wrong. Although I would have folded if I were not the forced bring in. 4th street was generous to you.

jdunford · #7 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtwalker

I'm no stud expert, but I think you played the hand pretty well. I think you are asking if you should have thrown in a semi-bluff/raise for value on 6th street, to me the answer is no. A lot of your outs are showing in other players hands. I think I counted 4 of your flush cards and 2 of your straight cards are showing already. Didn't spend much time on the math, but I think you only had 10 outs there. Five for the flush and five more for the staight.

When I play stud I always try to read the other players boards to recalculate my ods as accurately as I can.

Anyone see holes in my reasoning?

Agreed. 6th street was scary because 2 more of your straight outs went to other players, but it was still worth calling a single bet. If somebody had've paired their board and players started raising and re-raising on 6th, you would've had to dump the hand.

99%evil · #8 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 10:45 AM

Thanks everyone for the input. I'm trying to learn a bit about 7 stud...I was doing pretty well until my Fullhouse walked into a completely hidden quad seven hand... 7,7 in the hole, one 7 on the board and a 7 river...no pairs showing...lost quite a bit. Ah well, such is poker. I had my FH by 6th street so I was at least ahead at that point...wish I hadn't pumped the pot...

TheMightyJim2k · #9 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 10:50 AM

hand is totally standard.

well played at not trying any silly semi-bluffs (which only hurt your equity with all of those callers and rarely fold out hands in the micro limits), and good value raise on the river.

Harlequin011 · #10 (**permalink**) 07-06-2007, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99%evil

Thanks everyone for the input. I'm trying to learn a bit about 7 stud...I was doing pretty well until my Fullhouse walked into a completely hidden quad seven hand... 7,7 in the hole, one 7 on the board and a 7 river...no pairs showing...lost quite a bit. Ah well, such is poker. I had my FH by 6th street so I was at least ahead at that point...wish I hadn't pumped the pot...

Stud will get you popped like that every now and then. Well hidden boats and quads will hurt and create a tough deficit. Sacrifice a little on the re-raises as it's very hard to identify the absolute nuts.