[BrettButter]

PokerStars Game #10332159601: Tournament #52354400, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/06/08 - 11:36:25 (ET)
Table '52354400 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dilce (3070 in chips)
Seat 2: lichto (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: mrksy50 (2000 in chips)
Seat 4: Tommy3112 (2840 in chips)
Seat 5: SSkorpio75 (1380 in chips)
Seat 6: BrettButter (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: KAT/db088 (1240 in chips)
BrettButter: posts small blind 10
KAT/db088: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BrettButter [5s 5c]
Kai75 is connected
dilce has timed out
dilce: folds
dilce is sitting out
lichto: calls 20
mrksy50: folds
Tommy3112: folds
SSkorpio75: calls 20
BrettButter: calls 10
KAT/db088: raises 100 to 120
lichto: calls 100
SSkorpio75: folds

Action on me. Still early in tournament, but you need to get chips early in these things before you get blinded to death. 2.8:1 on the call (obviously not enough to flop a set..) - but I like my implied odds with two callers and a raise from the BB with a few limpers. Defend with a call, or let it go? Raising is not an option.

[99%evil]

Early in these with blinds still low....I may call. Depends on how the first few hands went. In these things as long as I keep above $1000 before the blinds hit 50/100 I'm still in the game and can work my way to the top. Position is bad, but it's early, gives the image of a gambler, may lead to future calls from folks that think you'll gamble.

I've been playing a bunch of the $3 +.25 6 handed turbos...they last about 45 minutes. I was placing in a good portion, but the past 4 I haven't gotten cards... People play fast and loose, I try and trap a lot, but none of my drawing hands have been floppping for me....only temporary, I usually don't go more than 2 out of the money in a row. If I was smart (which I'm not) I'd play these exclusively as I seem to make money playing them...of course I have to keep straying. I did win a $3. + .40 Razz tourney the other day, first one I tried...played really tight early on, takes a while for the blinds to get big enough to start knocking people out. Patience in those limit stud based games I guess is a key.

[Couga]

Without a read I would say that you don't have much business in this pot. You are the worst position with a small pair. You have to figure you are at best a coin flip and likely a 4:1 dog. A bet of that size (6x the BB) at this stage of the tourney screams "voulnerable pair" to me. Somthing along the lines of 9's to Q's. Assuming you get heads up, what are you going to do when the flop comes 2, 7, 9 rainbow? Do you bet out or check? I would have to bet out with a little over half the pot bet to see where I am at, so now you are into the pot for 300 chips and you may not get to see the turn.

That compiled with the fact that you are sandwiched with some EP limpers (which could mean anything from a very strong hand to just some donks trying to see as many flops as possible early on) makes this a folding hand to me.

- Couga

[littlebu]

I'd fold. I know it's a turbo but that extra 100 chips will come in handy come push fold time. That and I'm sure your way behind here.

[bmk67]

Originally Posted by Couga

Without a read I would say that you don't have much business in this pot.

Without a read, I'm calling here for the implied odds of flopping a set. There's plenty of chips in the two opponents' stack to justify calling 100 here, IMHO.

[Couga]

Originally Posted by bmk67

Without a read, I'm calling here for the implied odds of flopping a set. There's plenty of chips in the two opponents' stack to justify calling 100 here, IMHO.

It would have to be a perfect flop for implied odds to be a factor. The odds of such a flop are not worth 100 chips in this position I think.

If he has a pair A's - 9's the flop would have to be all lower than his cards and include a 5 to make our set.

If he has a big Ace, the flop would need to include an ace or allow him to have top pair top kicker and include a 5 to make our set.

Anything else and he is not going to be paying us off or his taking our chips.

[scottwire]

You have implied odds to hit your set + you are closing the action. You'll still have plenty of chips.

Easy call. Now just flop a set

[Big Mike]

I think, given the level of play in these tournaments, you do have the implied odds to call here, as long as you're quite sure the limper won't reraise.
I would still fold given your chipstack, though. As mentioned, you will need those chips later, and you will end up missing a set most of the time. In his tournament poker book, Sklansky talks about passing up a profitable bet so you can make a more profitable bet later. I would do that here.

Fold, and watch the 5 flop.

[BrettButter]

I don't remember posting this in this section, was it moved for some reason, or did I just mis-post? It should be in Strategy, or at least Online Poker..

I called.

BrettButter: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6c 6s 4c]
BrettButter: checks
KAT/db088: bets 1120 and is all-in
lichto: folds
dilce has returned

I am now 100% sure that I am winning on this hand. Even if I am, he's probably got two overs. Call or fold.

[whataboutj]

Why are you 100% sure you are ahead? could it be possible he made the huge pre flop raise with 4-4 or 6-6? This is a great thread for me because I am struglling lately with middle pair hands. Looking forward to seeing the replies & the outcome
J


BTW- I would probably fold this early in the tourney and watch him show the bluff, but that's me