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06-01-2007, 12:40 PM
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| | | Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
Ok, so, I didn't use the hand converter. Oh well.
PokerStars Game #10209436751: Tournament #51733419, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/06/01 - 00:42:11 (ET)
Table '51733419 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Marly22 (12422 in chips)
Seat 2: CFulch (9060 in chips)
Seat 3: BrettButter (2035 in chips)
Seat 4: lobomoose (15320 in chips)
Seat 5: carlosbanea (9275 in chips)
Seat 8: GRIMLEY9477 (11819 in chips)
Seat 9: rich&audj (5735 in chips)
Marly22: posts the ante 25
CFulch: posts the ante 25
BrettButter: posts the ante 25
lobomoose: posts the ante 25
carlosbanea: posts the ante 25
GRIMLEY9477: posts the ante 25
rich&audj: posts the ante 25
BrettButter: posts small blind 200
lobomoose: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BrettButter [5c 2c]
carlosbanea: folds
GRIMLEY9477: folds
rich&audj: folds
Marly22: folds
CFulch: folds
So, the pot is unopened to me in the SB, with the BB playing pretty tight. There's 775 in the pot already. I have 1810 behind my ante/blind. If I push, that makes the total pot 2585. The BB has to commit 1410 more, so his odds are around 1.83:1 to make the call if I push.
He's been playing tight, as have I, should I push here with ATC, including this 5-2s? Top 18 cash, I am in 26th position out of 26.
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06-01-2007, 01:13 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
If it was me, no. You still can wait for a better hand and do you want to go out with 5/2? One thing is your cards should be live but I might wait for a better position. That's just me.
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06-01-2007, 01:23 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
He is the chip leader, so it won't hurt too much for him to call. If you have been out of line stealing then I know I'd call in his position.
Also a problem in pushing with 25 is that even if you win you are still in bad shape since no one is going to respect your raises after that. In one tourney I had an M of 3 and pushed with 24 from the SB. BB called and showed 23. My first though was that I have him dominated  but I quickly realized that it impossible to get help from my kicker. The pot was split, but the effect was that all my all-ins got called while no one threatened his blind at least for the short while I was still in the game. |
06-01-2007, 01:42 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
You've got 5 more hands before you have to pay the BB, at which point you'll be all-in no matter what... Hopefully you'll get the opportunity to open the betting with an all-in with "any cards" (hopefully better than 2-5) in one of those hands.
But if you haven't been stealing blinds lately, and have folded every hand for the last orbit or so, you might push here anyway because (a) he might give you respect if he has a below-average hand, and (b) you're going to need some luck to get back in the game no matter what you do. |
06-01-2007, 01:52 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
Your M=2.6. If you take this pot down uncontested, your new M=3.3 and you still have to push almost immediately.
You really need to double or triple up to achieve a playable stack.
I fold and wait for something better (which will be just about anything really). |
06-01-2007, 01:56 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
I push... and I don't care too much if he calls or not.
If I win that pot, I push again as soon as I have anything resembling a good opportunity. Playing with 3-4 BB sucks ass, I just try to get back to having talking chips or go home.
You can't just wait for 8 more people to knock each other out. |
06-01-2007, 03:08 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
Fold to the big stack as he can lose the hand and still be the big stack.
Put 6k chips in front of this guy and the push becomes a better choice but not necessarily a good choice. Small stacks shouldn't tangle with big stacks unless they have a hand; 25 is a long way from a hand. |
06-01-2007, 03:10 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
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Originally Posted by xtwalker  You can't just wait for 8 more people to knock each other out. | True but its a safe bet that one of your next hands is going to be better than 25 plus you still have position for a few hands. |
06-01-2007, 03:15 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
this is an easy push for me. and you WANT him to call with AX (not 2 or 5 obv).
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.805% 38.53% 00.27% 316716996 2221752.00 { 52s }
Hand 1: 61.195% 60.92% 00.27% 500745420 2221752.00 { A6o+, A4o-A3o }
with antes in play, waiting isn't free. and there's no guarantee you'll be able to get headup for a race after this, with your puny stack. you're the shorty in the tourny, and a ways until the bubble. get chips however you can.
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06-01-2007, 03:28 PM
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| | | Re: Automatically push from the SB short-stacked with huge blinds?
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Originally Posted by jojobinks this is an easy push for me. and you WANT him to call with AX (not 2 or 5 obv).
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.805% 38.53% 00.27% 316716996 2221752.00 { 52s }
Hand 1: 61.195% 60.92% 00.27% 500745420 2221752.00 { A6o+, A4o-A3o }
with antes in play, waiting isn't free. and there's no guarantee you'll be able to get headup for a race after this, with your puny stack. you're the shorty in the tourny, and a ways until the bubble. get chips however you can.
poosh. | QFT. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is an easy push. I was going to type more but it's already here.
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