Flopped trips - should I call the all-in? (NL10)

[Chipmunk]

I had just joined the table. Saw many limpers and figured I might get nice implied odds if I hit a straight or similar

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)



MP2 ($3.81)
MP3 ($2)
Hero ($8.49)
Button ($15.75)
SB ($1.81)
BB ($1.79)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($0.69)
MP1 ($23.23)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, 8. MP3 posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.70) 7, T, T (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.25, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $0.5, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.25.

Turn: ($1.70) 2 (2 players)
MP1 bets $1, Hero calls $1.

River: ($3.70) 6 (2 players)
MP1 bets $6.89.

Hero?

Final Pot: $10.59


On the flop I figured he might think I tried to steal the pot from position. I didn't want to raise since his turn bet since if he has a 10 I'm probably beat and I'm fairly certain he will bet on the river.

Don't know what to think of the river bet, I don't think he would have raised me on the flop with 89. If he does have the last ten then the only kickers I could beat would be 3,4 & 5 which I think are unlikely that he would call with. Since I hesitantly called his turn bet, would he make a bluff like this?

[99%evil]

I would have gone all-in/ 3-5x pot bet on the turn, or flop. If he's drawing to a straight or flush make him pay. If he's not bluffing on the river(he may have the nut flush draw and missed), he was open ended and caught on the river.

[Poboy]

Bet more on the flop. That small a bet doesn't do anything.

In loose passive games, T9, JT, QT, KT are more likely hands. Draws usually bet, not check raise. I think the river's a fold.

[imthatguy]

Sadly, it looks like a fold to me too. I think you're way behind with that 8 kicker.

[TheMightyJim2k]

you're likely beat here, but then again I would have 3-bet the flop or c/r the turn. The problem is that if he was drawing with 89 he got there on the river, but the flush missed.

I expect to be beat here, but I guess I would call some of the time. I used to see a lot of crazy river bluffs in .25 NL back in the day, so I figure those crazy bluffs happen in .10 NL as well.

I really think you need to get more aggressive on the flop or the turn and make the draws pay, and figure out how serious this guy is about his hand. also if you called make sure you take down some notes about how he played it. Making these calls or folds is very very player dependent, and having notes/stats on a player makes a huge difference.

[Harlequin011]

I see lots of guys get flattened out after a decent night of good play by hands like this all the time. It used to happen to me also, but after enough NL cash you learn that you are in an expensive hand.

Don't be that guy.

Consider all of the reasons why he acted then try to figure his hand. Much easier said than done, thats for sure. If too many points are valid, and show that he isn't just bluffing or on a draw, then you need to go away. There are too many legitimate reasons that beat your hand for you to stick around here.

[yeltzen]

Easy call on the river. You might see 98s or AT, but them's the breaks. If you're going to call with a hand like T8 and then fold when you flop trips, I want your screen name.

You should have raised out draws on the turn, though. No doubt. Plus, it commits you to the pot and makes the hand easier to play.

LOL, after reading the other responses, I see why I'm not very good at NL cash games. I have just seen people do this with AA and KK so many times... they think they're so slick.

[Chipmunk]

Thank you for all the comments!

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

I really think you need to get more aggressive on the flop or the turn and make the draws pay, and figure out how serious this guy is about his hand. also if you called make sure you take down some notes about how he played it. Making these calls or folds is very very player dependent, and having notes/stats on a player makes a huge difference.

I agree I should have bet more on the flop. I don't usually make awkward bets like that, most often 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. As 99% and Poboy also said that flop bet was bad. Then again I wanted it to look like I'm trying to steal the pot, and that small bet would be typical in that situation from what I've seen at these tables, but its probably still a very bad move since it doesn't price out the draws like you said.

About the turn, his check raise combined with the turn bet made me think that he didn't have a draw, my gut feeling said that he'd either have the last 10 or a pocket pair. Then again I didn't know him so I don't know how important that gut feeling is - but I haven't seen check raises with draws in these games. These are the reasons I didn't want to raise him, I would have preferred to keep the pot small and loose a bit if he had a 10 and win a small pot if he had a pocket pair.

I haven't made that many notes on the players, most people buy in for the minimum (as you can see in the OP 5 of the players have $2 or less) and they don't really many options after the flop. What I did at first was to make a note for all the players I've seen multitabling, with the presumption that they might know how to play and I'd assume them to be tighter. Now with Poker Tracker helping me out a lot I haven't made many notes. I do think you are right that especially with unusual bets like these I should take notes.

The river bet did surprise me, I would have thought he would have made a pot sized bet or slightly smaller.

HQ, I'm sorry but I didn't understand your comment, what did you mean by being flattened?

Originally Posted by yeltzen

If you're going to call with a hand like T8 and then fold when you flop trips, I want your screen name.

Its "IHaveNoOuts"


So 4 think its a fold and 1 think its an easy call?

Even though I was 90% certain on the river that I was beat I couldn't fold a set, even though I got terrible pot odds Should I tell the results?

[TheMightyJim2k]

you can tell the results, but Yeltzen may have a point. He has much more recent and reliable experience at NL online cash. I play primarily limit (although I played about 25k hands of NL cash online a year and a half ago).

If yeltzen thinks its a must call, then you certainly should be calling some of the time. I think you're probably beat, but I can't say that I would always fold or always call in that spot.

[Poboy]

Yeah, the guy could easily have a big pair here. The problem is, A,K,Q,J, 9 and 7 T are in his range too. Trips are not nearly as strong as a set obv.

Oh, BTW, top up your stack. Two people at the table can double you up at any moment, make it as big a win as you can.