[jojobinks]

i haven't got past this part. laughing too much.
also, has any player ever had MORE excuses for playing every hand as passively as possible?

With the blinds at 50-100, a semi-loose limper just limped in up front for 100. Two people limped behind him in position, SB folded and I was in the BB with Qh-Qd. In my opinion, raising here is wrong.
A) The blinds are low enough that, if I put in a raise devised to "take down the pot right now", it will have to be fairly big, like 800-900, maybe even 1k. Which is far to much to be raising with the stacks as deep as they are.
B) I'm going to be out of position the whole hand if just ONE of them calls the raise, which is kind of likely since there are three of them... I mean realistically ONE of them will probably try to see a flop if I raise.
C) Much like above, it is realistic to believe that I will be seeing a flop anyway, so why not just try and keep the pot small, all the while disguising the strength of my hand in case one of them does hit weakly (like they have 9-8 and flop a weak top pair on a 9-5-2 flop, etc.) I'll get payed off.

So I did, what I felt was the best play, and checked.

The flop was junk:
10-7-5, rainbow
(Pot: 450)

I led at the pot for 350. The semi-loose gy from up front min-raised to 700, and everyone else folded around to me. Well, it certainly looks like an information raise with a Kinda-Strong-Ten. He wants to find out if his J-10 or Q-10 is good based on what I do. Now I know evrything there is to know about info-raises (even though I don't even use them that much), so if I re-raise he's gonna put me on some goofy BB hand for 2-pair and if I flat call he'll feel like his Ten is probably good. So I flat called, let him think his Ten is good, that way he'll keep leading at the pot [with the worst hand] for me.

Turn:
Ks
(Pot: 1850)

I check, to keep in line with the story of the info-raise flat call of "I'm weak, you keep betting your Ten and I'll just pay you off." He checks. Which I kind of expected him to do on that turn if he had like J-10 or Q-10.

River:
Ad
(Pot: 1850)

I felt that I had the best hand, even with the two overs, so I value bet it hoping he'd make a bad call with a Ten. I bet small small hoping he could call it, 500. He makes it 2500 total! Wow! There isn't a hand I can beat, so I guess he got lucky with A-10 or K-10, I fold. He shows me Qs-Qc... LOL! Haha, give him credit for the raise... it is semi-dumb/stupid/risky and everything else, but it worked. Nice Hand, sir.

[luckychick]

Now that he's gone, can we not forget about him?

I know the standard answer to this is "You don't have to read the post." None-the-less, I would like to see the topic of BigW die. If for no other reason, I think that the fact that not everyone one knows all his trangressions; and openly bashing a former member is in bad taste that might give new or potential members the wrong idea about our community. Such antics are why I don't post at 2+2.

Just my 2 cents.

[Poboy]

Come on ow, that's gold. If it didn't have BW's name on it, I'd swear it was tongue in cheek.
Man I love the idiots who play poker. Sometimes I wonder what the he!! some dumba** was thinking, but never knew it could be so entertaining. And people think the poker books are killing the action.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by luckychick

Now that he's gone, can we not forget about him?

I know the standard answer to this is "You don't have to read the post." None-the-less, I would like to see the topic of BigW die. If for no other reason, I think that the fact that not everyone one knows all his trangressions; and openly bashing a former member is in bad taste that might give new or potential members the wrong idea about our community. Such antics are why I don't post at 2+2.

Just my 2 cents.

you're right. can we just pretend it's a random poker blog? b/c the hand is awesome.

[Irish Se7en]

This feels like one of those bring the BIG BW back threads.

[luckychick]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

you're right. can we just pretend it's a random poker blog? b/c the hand is awesome.

Yeah okay, I can deal with that then. Maybe he was thinking like Jennifer Tilly, and thought he had kings.

[TheMightyJim2k]

what BW doesn't understand is that the key to no limit hold them is to put a man to a decision for all of his chips.

once he understands that his amazing abilities will make him an unstoppable force and he will win every hand.

[legend]

slight thread jack...this gem from Vinnce van patten tonight..."Mimi Tran is tilting like a three-legged bar stool" so true

[PokerFiend]

I think he should have raised preflop and then continuation bet (but LARGE bet 2x pot atleast) on the flop, IMO.

[MacGrad]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

i haven't got past this part. laughing too much.
also, has any player ever had MORE excuses for playing every hand as passively as possible?

You know, we could break this down into an actual strategy discussion... I know, it's scary that something BW wrote could actually be used to teach, but here goes:

What he said:

With the blinds at 50-100, a semi-loose limper just limped in up front for 100. Two people limped behind him in position, SB folded and I was in the BB with Qh-Qd. In my opinion, raising here is wrong.
A) The blinds are low enough that, if I put in a raise devised to "take down the pot right now", it will have to be fairly big, like 800-900, maybe even 1k. Which is far to much to be raising with the stacks as deep as they are.
B) I'm going to be out of position the whole hand if just ONE of them calls the raise, which is kind of likely since there are three of them... I mean realistically ONE of them will probably try to see a flop if I raise.
C) Much like above, it is realistic to believe that I will be seeing a flop anyway, so why not just try and keep the pot small, all the while disguising the strength of my hand in case one of them does hit weakly (like they have 9-8 and flop a weak top pair on a 9-5-2 flop, etc.) I'll get payed off.

So I did, what I felt was the best play, and checked.

My opinion...

"With the blinds at 50-100, a semi-loose limper just limped in up front for 100. Two people limped behind him in position, SB folded and I was in the BB with Qh-Qd. In my opinion, raising here is right.

A) The blinds are low enough that people may be willing to limp in cheaply to see a flop, regardless of what they're holding. With the pot at 450, I want to put in a raise that can either "take down the pot" or drive off people playing Ax or KX suited, or any two connectors.
B) I'm going to be out of position, but I want to be able to show strength with a continuation bet if an Ace or King comes on the flop -- this may drive out anyone who stayed in with marginal hands... I mean realistically ONE of them will probably try to see a flop if I raise.
C) If it is realistic to believe that I will be seeing a flop anyway, so why not just try and keep the number of playerssmall. If one of them does hit weakly (like they have 9-8 and flop a weak top pair on a 9-5-2 flop, etc.) I'll get paid off.

So I did, what I felt was the best play, and raised slightly more than the pot, to 600."

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