[luckychick]

I recently played in a D.C. home game that includes Omaha, which I have very little experience in. The game, in general, was fairly loose-aggressive with seven players. Current game is 0.5/1 PL, Omaha High, 7 handed.

I was in the SB with . There was a straddle to $2 (half of the players straddle 3/4 of the time). Two callers, I call as well, BB calls, straddler checks - 5 to the flop.

Flop is: .

I bet $8, three call, 1 fold.

Turn is a low diamond, I think (sorry, I forget, but I remember thinking it filled a gutshot straight, but gave me a diamond draw too).

I check, aggressive player bets $10, 1 caller, 1 fold, I call.

River is a low heart and I check-fold (two pair won over a lower two pair).

My husband berated me pretty hard for this hand. He advocated check-folding on the flop, and really wanted me to fold on the turn. His argument was "Do you have a draw to the nuts?" I suppose I can understand that argument, but it seems like that is pretty conservative, especially for a loose game - I don't know. He didn't elaborate further. (My husband tends to be pretty weak-tight in hold'em, which is the only reason why I question it.) I thought the flop was pretty good for me, and the turn unfortunate for filling a weird straight, but I thought it was worth while (?). I generally played pretty tight, and thought this was a reasonable hand - I thought I would make more money from mid-flushes in this group than lose to the A-high flush, but could really be wrong here.

I would really like comments on all streets, with explanations please (I'm pretty remedial).

(BTW, I have a omaha H/L question in another thread I would appreciate comments on too).

[hachkc]

I'd say your play was fine given the details you posted.

[Harlequin011]

LC,

You know I'm in your corner most of the time, but your hubby is right. This is Omaha, play nut draws and made hands. The donks won this round. Stick around 10 min and there money is your money.

[luckychick]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

LC,

You know I'm in your corner most of the time, but your hubby is right. This is Omaha, play nut draws and made hands. The donks won this round. Stick around 10 min and there money is your money.

No prob HQ, this is what I'm looking for... I'm quite naive with respect to this game - only ask b/c I know his hold'em tendencies.

So.... is this an okay call pre-flop? When/where do I fold this hand? What if I check and the bet is small, like $4? Is it worth a call then?

(BTW, for the record, I am most certainly the "donk" when it comes to Omaha and O8 in this game - it's populated by a couple of CT members. The players are laggy but not idiots.)

[jmc]

I'm not really a PLO player, so I'd like to get some feedback on the following questions as well:

With a hand like KKJ9 double suited, are you looking to raise preflop to knock out the mid-card hands?

If raising isn't the right answer, what exactly are we hoping to flop in a multi-way pot, assuming we're not really happy to pay to draw to the 2nd nut flush? QT rainbow? Top set?

[99%evil]

Depending on the peopl eyou play with, Omaha is a game where you have to be very wary and aware. A lot of games I've played are pot limit and a lot of flops are limped. I'd play a hand like you had very much the way you did...you had two good flush draws going to the river, but I may have bailed...tough one to call, straight has you on the turn, an Ace high flush draw has one of your draws dead if not both. If you have the guy on two pair or a set, you can bust him if the board doesn't pair and your flushes hit . If your king hits...tough call, with a straight on the board...

I like omaha, I need to learn more about it.

[Poboy]

I don't like the flop bet. I might check/call the flop, then possibly the turn bet, depending on how big it is and if anyone folded the flop. A K high flush is a great way to lose a lot of chips, but 7 handed you may not be up against the A high draw. You have to be wary in PLO, but you can't play scared either.

Originally Posted by jmc

I'm not really a PLO player, so I'd like to get some feedback on the following questions as well:

With a hand like KKJ9 double suited, are you looking to raise preflop to knock out the mid-card hands?

If raising isn't the right answer, what exactly are we hoping to flop in a multi-way pot, assuming we're not really happy to pay to draw to the 2nd nut flush? QT rainbow? Top set?

There's not a big gap in hand values preflop, so it's probably not a big mistake to never raise in PLO. Or to always raise. What we're looking to flop is obv. a set of Kings, a set + FD or SD, SD+FD. Combo draws.

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by luckychick

So.... is this an okay call pre-flop? When/where do I fold this hand? What if I check and the bet is small, like $4? Is it worth a call then?

Here the deal with Omaha. Even when playing with 5 year olds. Play the nuts. You've got 4 cards, and so does everyone else. To prepare you need to brush up on your pot odds, implied odds are much less with quality players.

Rule of thumb. If there is a straight out. Someone's got it. If there is a pair. You need to have a full house to play. Of course if the bets are low and it's cheap to showdown go ahead. But generally. When you think you're beat. You are.

PLO will flatten you out quicker than any other game out there. I'd stay off the PLO until you start winning the limit games.

Oh. Nothing wrong with the call pre-flop. It could stand a raise but not typically a raising hand.

[the3rd]

I'm more of a O8B player so take this with a grain of salt. You bet at the wrong time. You are out of position with double suited and gap-connected kings. Even though the game is loose you have to pop it preflop to define your hand now since you'll be at a disadvantage on later rounds. $8 is good here. This gives you more options on the flop. I guarantee at least one of those players goes away. Anyone calling your preflop raise most likely has high cards like you. This isn't high/low. Anyone going for a straight needs very specific low cards. The only scare hands likely to still be around are two spades with the Ace and a double paired hand that hit a low set. Slow down, but if someone bets here, I still call. Even though I don't consider a 7d or 8d a scare card now is where I bail to a bet.

What are you trying to accomplish with a flop bet? You didn't improve. If I'm sitting across from you at the table and have any kind of possibilities, I'm thinking "so what, I call. Thanks for building my pot and letting me in cheap to begin with."

[Joe85]

When it's on you, there is 7.50 in preflop. You got a good hand, but it's very vunerable, especially in a multi-way pot. I think I'd come in for $9 here and narrow down my opponents.

I don't know how I would play the flop since it depends on how many opponents called and how they play. Perhaps I'd take a stab on the flop if I'm heads-up, but who knows.

In the end, I'd more or less spend around the same amount of money as you on this hand, but I figure to get more information playing it this way.