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Old 05-08-2007, 02:30 AM
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River Bet?

Playing a few hands before I go to bed. I figured that I be better off playing in the .10/.25 game because if I donk off my stack it would only be $25 instead of $50 - $100 in the higher limits.


Here's my question, I'm in the bb with Kings. Aggressive table with the big stacks raising every other hand to $1.00(4 x's bb). The button C. P. Neff raises it up to $1, so I just bump it up a little ($1.75) to illicit a call.
I make some weak bets after hitting the flop but there is a flush draw. He has twice checked raised other players in a similar situation on weak post flop bets. However in pot size best they (big stacks) have folded. Turn, another weak bet, figure I can't lose unless he slow played T/T.

Here's my question, after the river card, should I have checked, raised less, or played it how I did. Was he chasing a flush or a straight? A lot of questions but I was hoping to get a little more on the river. Did I just play it bad and I probably should be happy with what I won? Back to the books.


PokerStars Game #9805661214: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/08 - 03:08:41 (ET)
Table 'Reunerta' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: oj86 ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Ivan7189 ($26.60 in chips)
Seat 3: iputGinGame ($41.85 in chips)
Seat 4: C. P. Neff ($36.50 in chips)
Seat 5: disguyzed ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Irish Se7en ($12.95 in chips)
disguyzed: posts small blind $0.10
Irish Se7en: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irish Se7en [Ks Kc]
oj86: folds
Ivan7189: folds
iputGinGame: folds
C. P. Neff: raises $0.75 to $1
disguyzed: folds
Irish Se7en: raises $1.75 to $2.75
C. P. Neff: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [4h Kh Ts]
Irish Se7en: bets $0.50
C. P. Neff: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4h Kh Ts] [Td]
Irish Se7en: bets $1
C. P. Neff: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [4h Kh Ts Td] [5c]
Irish Se7en: bets $4
C. P. Neff: folds
Irish Se7en collected $8.20 from pot
Irish Se7en: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.60 | Rake $0.40
Board [4h Kh Ts Td 5c]
Seat 1: oj86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ivan7189 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: iputGinGame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: C. P. Neff (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: disguyzed (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Irish Se7en (big blind) collected ($8.20)
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:03 AM
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Re: River Bet?

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Here's my question, after the river card, should I have checked, raised less, or played it how I did. Was he chasing a flush or a straight? A lot of questions but I was hoping to get a little more on the river. Did I just play it bad and I probably should be happy with what I won?
I'd say he clearly has one of 3 hands:
1) Pocket pair - likely 99, but maybe JJ - meaning the flop brings either two over cards or one, turning him in to a calling station
2) Flush draw - Ax
3) Straight draw - AQ or AJ

So, in these 3 scenarios, the only one in which you did not play the flop incorrectly is the pocket pair.

On the flop there's $5.60 in the pot and you bet 50¢ giving him over 12-to-1 odds. Way too small of a bet. You want to give him improper odds to call you with both a straight & flush draw on the board. That means a bet of at least $2.50-$3.

If he catches the straight or flush card on the turn, are you really going to lay down your set of Kings? Unlikely, you call some big bet and pray the board pairs. Luckily the Turn bring you Kings over Tens and you don't have to worry about it.

As for the river, yes you have to bet since it's practically guaranteed hell check if you don't. If he had quad Tens he would've raised on the Turn and you would put him on trip Tens and re-raise and then he'd have you. So no raise ont he Turn means you know he was chasing and missed.

You only have 2 bets on the River - a value bet which would have to be so small that he'd call just to see your cards or a larger bet to appear to be buying the pot. Although that would be pretty tough since you raised pre-flop and bet out on every street. What junk could you have that would meet that criterion? AQ is about it...maybe AJh. No I think if you were going to get any money on the River maybe another $1 would be about it.
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Re: River Bet?

He's aggressive preflop, what about post? If he's aggressive post, I'dve bet a little more on the flop, say half the pot, then checked the turn. It'll look like I'm a) afraid of the middle pair pairing on the turn, or b) like I'm giving up with missed medium pair/AQ-type hand. He might bluff the river. I can't tell you how many times I see an opponent pot/raise the river after a turn check through.

After checking the turn, I'd make a small bet on the river.
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