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05-04-2007, 11:45 AM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Central Michigan Age: 38
Posts: 951
Chips: 4,940 | | | P* MTT Strat Question Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won
PokerStars , $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - 9-max Seat #9 is the button SB - t1295
BB - t1505
UTG - t1810
UTG+1 - t1425
MP1 - t1195 MP2 - t1150 HERO - t1390
Button - t3705 PREFLOP undefined
HERO is MP3 with 7  7 
2 folds, MP1 calls t30
MP2 calls t30
HERO raises t90 to t120
1 fold, SB calls t105
2 folds, MP2 calls t90 FLOP t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5 
SB checks, MP2 checks, HERO checks. TURN t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5  Q 
SB bets t420
MP2 Folds
HERO ???????
Fold, Call, or push????
Should Hero have bet the flop????
No real read on SB. Other than VPIP=22.4 PFR=8.6 but that is only on 58 hands.
MP2 is a very straight forward player. | 
05-04-2007, 11:49 AM
|  | LNPT Playa! | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Age: 26
Posts: 2,413
Chips: 520 | | | Re: P* MTT Strat Question I don't like preflop at all. I would limp along with everyone else and check/fold on the flop without a 7. If you want to raise it should be for more. Quote:
Originally Posted by trutan Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won
PokerStars , $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - 9-max Seat #9 is the button SB - t1295
BB - t1505
UTG - t1810
UTG+1 - t1425
MP1 - t1195 MP2 - t1150 HERO - t1390
Button - t3705 PREFLOP undefined
HERO is MP3 with 7  7 
2 folds, MP1 calls t30
MP2 calls t30
HERO raises t90 to t120
1 fold, SB calls t105
2 folds, MP2 calls t90 FLOP t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5 
SB checks, MP2 checks, HERO checks. TURN t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5  Q 
SB bets t420
MP2 Folds
HERO ???????
Fold, Call, or push????
Should Hero have bet the flop????
No real read on SB. Other than VPIP=22.4 PFR=8.6 but that is only on 58 hands.
MP2 is a very straight forward player. | | 
05-04-2007, 12:07 PM
|  | ChipTalk.net Article Writer | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Burbs
Posts: 1,920
Chips: 13,947 | | | Re: P* MTT Strat Question Gotta bet the flop. the story that you told was that you did not hit. Gives an aggressive player an excuse to make a play for the pot.
If you bet out, he calls - and now bets - easy to get away from. Now, you do not have all that much information and probably should fold.
In truith, this is a good card as there is only one over and the second queen showing up means that there is less chance that he is holding one of the two remaining queens. He overbet a bit as well - so somthing kind of smells funny.
I do fold here, but with more knowledge on the better I might push as well. Quote:
Originally Posted by trutan Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won
PokerStars , $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - 9-max Seat #9 is the button SB - t1295
BB - t1505
UTG - t1810
UTG+1 - t1425
MP1 - t1195 MP2 - t1150 HERO - t1390
Button - t3705 PREFLOP undefined
HERO is MP3 with 7  7 
2 folds, MP1 calls t30
MP2 calls t30
HERO raises t90 to t120
1 fold, SB calls t105
2 folds, MP2 calls t90 FLOP t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5 
SB checks, MP2 checks, HERO checks. TURN t420 (3 players)
Q  4  5  Q 
SB bets t420
MP2 Folds
HERO ???????
Fold, Call, or push????
Should Hero have bet the flop????
No real read on SB. Other than VPIP=22.4 PFR=8.6 but that is only on 58 hands.
MP2 is a very straight forward player. | | 
05-04-2007, 12:15 PM
|  | Big Stack | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Francisco Age: 34
Posts: 1,612
Chips: 1,309 | | | Re: P* MTT Strat Question I would have bet the flop for about 250. A significant raise gets me out as plenty of people call with AQ.
Don't know if he would have raised pre-flop with that hand. Could be he had suited Q8 or something and limped in. Since he's first to act, it makes sense to check/call or check/raise with two players to follow in an effort to get money into the pot. However, a pot-sized bet on the turn doesn't make sense. However, if it's a made hand (i.e. he has a Q), he should logically check again. A pot-sized bet scares away more money. What's he checking out? To see if someone had 55 or 44 and will raise all-in? If he has a Q is he actually going to fold trips? If he has AA or KK, is he actually going to fold to an all-in bet?
Given that it's just a one-table SNG, I think I'd go all-in and get some info for another time. Unless he's got AA, KK, or a Q with a strong kicker, I think he'd fold. Even if he has AA or KK, there a chance he'll fold to an all-in bet representing trip queens. | 
05-04-2007, 12:36 PM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Central Michigan Age: 38
Posts: 951
Chips: 4,940 | | | Re: P* MTT Strat Question Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopin2Steal Given that it's just a one-table SNG, | NOT a SNG. This is a MTT.
Thanks for comments so far. Keep 'em comin'. | 
05-04-2007, 01:07 PM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Madtown, WI Age: 35
Posts: 566
Chips: 594 | | | Re: P* MTT Strat Question Preflop, I hate the raise. You have two limpers in ahead of you and you make a standard 3x raise with what really is not a strong hand. Unless players have been limping and then folding to raises, there really isn't much value in that sort of raise. Then you compounded the problem by checking behind on the flop. That just screams "please take this pot away from me on the turn"
So, there are only two plays on the turn, fold or push. A call would be horrible. No way I'm sticking in 1/3 of my stack with an underpair and having to face another decision on the river. SB could easily be making a play at the pot with nothing. But there are several Queen hands he could have, as well as something like A5d which I think fits the play as well.
I fold, but I'm a big pu$$y too. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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