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04-29-2007, 10:50 AM
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| | | Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
Just a little something to mix it up. My third or fourth hand at this table, so no real reads (plus my PT Stud is broken for some reason). Post your thoughts even though I know I am the greatest player ever and I know that you can't possibly offer any insight I'm not aware of.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2314223812: Table Katie - $1/$2 Ante $0.20 - Limit Seven Card Stud - 10:33:51 ET - 2007/04/29
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to maria47 [Jh]
Dealt to MasterAmir [Jd]
Dealt to rchic1 [Ad]
Dealt to mysonsam [Js]
Dealt to Chappaqua [8h] Dealt to yeltzen [  ] [ ]
Dealt to cuda67man [Td]
Dealt to majman08 [Qh]
yeltzen is low with [8c]
yeltzen brings in for $0.25
cuda67man folds
majman08 folds
maria47 folds
MasterAmir folds
rchic1 calls $0.25
mysonsam folds
Chappaqua folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to rchic1 [  ] [  ] Dealt to yeltzen [ ] [ ]
rchic1 bets $1 yeltzen raises to $2
rchic1 calls $1
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to rchic1 [ ] [  ] Dealt to yeltzen [ ] [ ]
rchic1 checks yeltzen ??? |
04-29-2007, 11:36 AM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
This is an interesting hand... thanks for posting, yeltzen.
I guess the question is, what does he have? If he had an A in the hole, he probably would've completed the bet instead of calling the bring-in... but it's not an impossibility. There's only 1 T left in the deck, so it's unlikely he has a pair of those... but that, or a small pair in the hole, would be more consistent with his betting so far. He also could be drawing to a broadway straight, but that's unlikely given all the folded Js and Q.
Your problem is, if he does have an A in the hole, you only have one 8, one T, three 9s, and one A unaccounted for to draw to a better hand. Most of the Js are gone, so the backdoor straight is unlikely (and he should know that, especially with just your 89A showing). Similarly, if he has the other T in the hole (more likely considering the betting, even though there's only one of them out there), there's only one 8, three 9s, and two As remaining as your outs.
On the other hand, if he has nothing but A-high, he has similarly few outs to beat you, so you might want to bet here to take it down (don't want to let him suck out another A to beat you)... but you'll have a hard time chasing him away, given the pot odds he'll be getting (especially after his call on your 4th street raise).
I guess you could bet here in the hopes he'll fold now, but I don't think it's worth the $2. Your biggest fear is he has 66 in the hole and just made his set, and is slow-playing it now. I guess you could find out if he check-raises here. Personally, I'd just check behind him and hope for better news on 6th street. It's not a big enough hand to be worth the bother, and I'd rather fold it if there's no help on 6th street than lose another $2 to a better hand.
But what do I know? You're the best, so I'm sure you knew exactly what he had and made the perfect play!  |
04-29-2007, 04:34 PM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
Not much of a stud player, but ignorance has never stopped me putting my 2c in before. Pretty sure he's calling a bet, so I'd only do it if I think I'm ahead. He might have a pair of tens, and given the cards that are out a free one is probably relatively safe to give. I'd check behind.
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04-29-2007, 04:42 PM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
He's got rolled up aces, he's just playing it slow so he can go all-in on the river...but then he remembers...DAMN! this is limit! So his plan is foiled.
I don't know, maybe a middle pair in the hole, or KQ/KJ/QJ and he's looking to make a straight.
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04-29-2007, 05:34 PM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
bet.
you raised because you figured he was betting with A-high to fold you out and you wanted to take the lead with the hand you figured was best. you succeeded. that card is pretty close to a brick for him, so you need to keep betting.
most online stud players could be calling with everything from a small pair in the hole, a straight draw, or a couple of big cards he thinks are pretty. I'm going to bet so that I have a chance to check behind if he calls and my hand doesnt improve on 6th street to save myself part of a bet.
so my line right now is bet 5th, try to check through 6th street if UI, and 7th becomes dependent on whether or not we improve and the line that the villain takes. |
04-29-2007, 09:40 PM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
I agree with JimK, bet it and see if he wants to stick around after 5th ST.
I know at the lower stakes people will take a card off on 4th ST. Usually this would be more read dependent at higher stakes but you just sat down.
If he calls, you can probably check it down and/or fold to a reraise or a bet.
Plus hitting an ace and him hitting a six is big-time brick unless that somehow made 2-pair or trips for him. Most of the higher cards are dead, so unless he slowplayed split aces on 3rd (or big hidden pair), or hit a 1-out Ten on 4th then you are ahead and he's drawing thin.
Also you will must likely have position on 6th, you will have an opportunity to check behind and probably seal a cheap showdown. If you do draw the lead on 6th, it could really strengthen the look of your hand and/or take away another one of his high card outs. That could be another tough decision on whether to check or lead though... |
04-30-2007, 08:38 AM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
Well, I got 5 more replies than I thought I would. These are usually the hands I lose my bankroll on at Stud since I have trouble laying down pairs for some reason even though I know better.
Anyways, the first thing is that he called. Even at these stakes, where people think they're soooo cool by limping in with big buried pairs, they will very, very rarely do it with Js (he can't have Js anyways) or Qs. Ks maybe. Aces always.
Since I'm the bring-in, and I didn't call a raise or anything, it's pretty much standard procedure for him to bet with the high board when I don't pair my door card. So, that raise was easy. But, he didn't fold, so that seems to make it unlikely he is stealing. At the same time, three 10s are gone, so that's unlikely. The only thing I would have to worry about is a buried 99 or a buried 66.
I probably made a mistake on 6th street here. I bet 5th and bet 6th again. I like to bet 6th rather than 7th because betting on 7th street with one or two pair is just a waste since you will only get called or raised if you're beat. So I bet 6th and checked behind on 7th. Amazingly, I actually had the best hand. I can't remember what the villain had... I'll have to check at work, but I dunno wtf he was doing. If he had 3 to a straight or flush, then the call on 4th was okay, but wtf on 5th. |
04-30-2007, 09:26 AM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by yeltzen  Well, I got 5 more replies than I thought I would. These are usually the hands I lose my bankroll on at Stud since I have trouble laying down pairs for some reason even though I know better.
Anyways, the first thing is that he called. Even at these stakes, where people think they're soooo cool by limping in with big buried pairs, they will very, very rarely do it with Js (he can't have Js anyways) or Qs. Ks maybe. Aces always.
Since I'm the bring-in, and I didn't call a raise or anything, it's pretty much standard procedure for him to bet with the high board when I don't pair my door card. So, that raise was easy. But, he didn't fold, so that seems to make it unlikely he is stealing. At the same time, three 10s are gone, so that's unlikely. The only thing I would have to worry about is a buried 99 or a buried 66.
I probably made a mistake on 6th street here. I bet 5th and bet 6th again. I like to bet 6th rather than 7th because betting on 7th street with one or two pair is just a waste since you will only get called or raised if you're beat. So I bet 6th and checked behind on 7th. Amazingly, I actually had the best hand. I can't remember what the villain had... I'll have to check at work, but I dunno wtf he was doing. If he had 3 to a straight or flush, then the call on 4th was okay, but wtf on 5th. | So.... it was an interesting hand against a complete moron who didn't know what he was doing...  I'm pretty surprised your 8s held up. Well played, sir (I think?). |
04-30-2007, 12:00 PM
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Did BigWoody get Yeltzen's password? 
So WTF did he get on the other streets?
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05-01-2007, 04:06 PM
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| | | Re: Seven Card Stud - hand from the bring-in.
bet out
if he raises- you can be pretty sure you are toast and fold. If he calls you can check 6th (unless you hit) and hope to hit on 7th. 88 to me is not one to bet the farm on, but if you check here you are giving him every reason to bluff on 6th with no information gained Quote:
Originally Posted by yeltzen Just a little something to mix it up. My third or fourth hand at this table, so no real reads (plus my PT Stud is broken for some reason). Post your thoughts even though I know I am the greatest player ever and I know that you can't possibly offer any insight I'm not aware of.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2314223812: Table Katie - $1/$2 Ante $0.20 - Limit Seven Card Stud - 10:33:51 ET - 2007/04/29
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to maria47 [Jh]
Dealt to MasterAmir [Jd]
Dealt to rchic1 [Ad]
Dealt to mysonsam [Js]
Dealt to Chappaqua [8h] Dealt to yeltzen [ ] []
Dealt to cuda67man [Td]
Dealt to majman08 [Qh] yeltzen is low with [8c] yeltzen brings in for $0.25
cuda67man folds
majman08 folds
maria47 folds
MasterAmir folds
rchic1 calls $0.25
mysonsam folds
Chappaqua folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to rchic1 [ ] [ ] Dealt to yeltzen [ ] []
rchic1 bets $1 yeltzen raises to $2
rchic1 calls $1
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to rchic1 [ ] [ ] Dealt to yeltzen [ ] []
rchic1 checks yeltzen ??? | | |
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