[FL70]

It's our monthly game and we're down to 7 (pays 3). Blinds are 75-150 and I have ~1800. We're in BB.

2 folds and MP2 (solid aggressive player) min raises. CO (loose player - not overly aggr. or psv.) calls. 2 folds to me. We look down at . 825 in the pot, 150 to call (5.5-to-1).

We....?

[Big Mike]

Is your stack about average? How much do other players have (particularly the players involved in this pot)?

You could call here, but you'd have to be real careful. That min raise will mean strength a lot of the time.
Don't make the call unless you know what you plan to do on a flop of JT2 or Q85.

[FL70]

Originally Posted by Big Mike

Is your stack about average? How much do other players have (particularly the players involved in this pot)?

As I recall there were maybe 2 bigger stacks (one being the CO) and everyone else was more or less in the same range. MP2 also had me covered.

[Diablo_Rojos]

Marginal hand. A lot of hands can beat you. Especially a min raise from a strong player and a call from a loose player. I fold here. Let the two battle it out. Steal the blind back later.

[TheMightyJim2k]

fold or call. either one is fine. arguments for both are solid and it really just depends on how well you feel you can play the hand postflop. There are tourneys where I would definitely call this, and others where I would muck it.

[scottwire]

I call but I'm looking to flop a big hand. Don't go broke with one pair.

[shadesofgrey]

like others said... call or fold. either way.

i would tend to fold and try and pick a better spot against a weaker player. but a lot of this decision gets based on previous play.

my guess is that this is a coin flip scenario at best. unless you're comfortable / willing to get creative post flop against the opponent, i'd fold.

[Poboy]

Fold. The chips are too important to you, and you're lost post if you catch a pair. Any bluff attempt post flop is awkward with your stack size. It'll either hurt bad or stack you if you get called.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by shadesofgrey

like others said... call or fold. either way.

i would tend to fold and try and pick a better spot against a weaker player. but a lot of this decision gets based on previous play.

my guess is that this is a coin flip scenario at best. unless you're comfortable / willing to get creative post flop against the opponent, i'd fold.

I dont have a problem with the fold, but if you are calling it isnt because you think you have a coinflip. The reason you call is because you are getting good enough odds to see a flop against even AA.

The important thing is that you can only be comfortable making these calls IF you know you WON'T try to get creative after the flop. When you see this flop you are done with the hand unless you flop top pair or better, and usually you are going to want at least two pair to move with this hand.

this is a spot where math indicates a call, and creativity is usually very bad since you will have very little fold equity post flop.

[shadesofgrey]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

I dont have a problem with the fold, but if you are calling it isnt because you think you have a coinflip. The reason you call is because you are getting good enough odds to see a flop against even AA.

The important thing is that you can only be comfortable making these calls IF you know you WON'T try to get creative after the flop. When you see this flop you are done with the hand unless you flop top pair or better, and usually you are going to want at least two pair to move with this hand.

this is a spot where math indicates a call, and creativity is usually very bad since you will have very little fold equity post flop.

True... i shouldnt have said coinflip... more along the lines of hoping I have two live cards and the J hits on the flop or two pair like you said.

The amount in the middle absolutely could warrant a call.

i just dont like solid aggressive players making a min raise from MP2.... min raises from solid aggro players spook me - not enough info for me to gauge their hand strength and i always feel unless i can make "some play" back at them i shouldnt be in the hand.

So i do agree. If i call. but most of time i am a ghost with those starting cards in this situation.

Just curious.. would you make that call with ATC?

thanks Jim!