[jbdanutz]

This hand happened a while back playing 3/6 limit. As most of you know the small stakes limit (1/2, 2/4, 3/6 etc) are really loose. 7-9 players to every flop. I have only been at the table for about 15-20 min. I am in middle position and I look down at AA, UTG raises to 6, 1 guy calls in front of me gets to me I make it 9 cutoff and button call, along with small and big blind and UTG (7 players).......Flop 6 6 Q ( rainbow)....Small blind checks big blind checks UTG leads out 3, I make it 6, cutoff calls Button Raises to 9, small blind caps it to 12, big blind folds and UTG calls. I contemplate for a minute, and decide to fold. I am pretty sure somebody has a 6, these guys play any 2 cards dealt to them. I am also thinking UTG may have had QQ. Well I fold and the turn comes the dreaded A....I am fuming at this point. River comes a 2. they capped out the turn and the river. Showdown UTG has QQ for queens full and SB had A 6 suited for 6's full, Button had KQ off. I woulda reemed the players with full houses had I seen the turn. Did I make the correct fold, or was I priced in to call or what? Would any of you have called there? Not sure what to do in that spot. ANy insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

JB

[Buzzerbeater]

You figured you needed an ace to win. So you had two outs if you didn't think anyone else had an Ace. You needed 13.5 to 1 to break even. If I'm doing the math right, you were getting at least 14.5 to 1, maybe more, it's hard to tell from the way it's written. So a call actually looks like it might have been correct if you didn't think anyone else had an ace. But it was so close that I can't blame you for folding either.

[Quads]

I raise every opprtunity given and never fold aces in a $3/6 game.

[jmc]

I think you can afford to make a loose call on the flop considering that you'll fold the turn when it's 2 big bets to you, if you miss the Ace. Otherwise, you stand to make a lot of money in implied odds on the turn/river.

Excellent read though.

[Poboy]

Bit difficult to read....


jbdanutz is MP with AA

UTG raises, call, jbdanutz 3bets, CO calls, button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop 6 6 Q r (10 BB)

check, check, UTG bets, jbdanutz raises, CO calls, button 3bets, SB caps, BB folds, UTG calls, jbdanutz, getting ~9:1(if I counted right), folds.

hmmm. I guess it depends on what you think your implieds are. I'd call because I think the implied odds are pretty good.

[jbdanutz]

Originally Posted by Quads

I raise every opprtunity given and never fold aces in a $3/6 game.

This is the answer I have gotten from several of my friends.

[jbdanutz]

Originally Posted by jmc

I think you can afford to make a loose call on the flop considering that you'll fold the turn when it's 2 big bets to you, if you miss the Ace. Otherwise, you stand to make a lot of money in implied odds on the turn/river.

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That's what I am thinking now. I thought I shoulda called the flop and if turn doesnt bring my A then im done. And yes with the implied odds of me hitting the A I win a nice pot. So yeh I basically screwed myself and lost out of a huge pot. Oh well you live and you learn. Thanks for the info fellas.

JB

[bolgenmod]

7 players in for 3 bets PF makes a 21 sb pot. Then it gets tough. Looks like something like 15 sb go into the pot before you are asked to call 2 more sbs. So 36 to 2 or 18 to 1 to you.

If you only have 2 outs, your odds are 23 to 1 drawing one card. So you did not have the odds to call based strictly on the pot odds. On the other hand, the implied odds were good: you would need only 2 big bets to go into the pot on the turn to cover the 23 to 1.

This is a tough situation: you could easily be drawing dead or to one out rather than to two outs. 3/6 players love to play any ace, so both the other aces could be easily be out in other players' hands. On the other hand, the pot is huge. This is the kind of situation where I might take one off and fold the turn if unimproved. Sometimes you are wrong, and it is AQ versus KQ (or worse) battling it out as if they have the quad 6s, but with three players betting very aggresively, I would have to fold my aces on the turn if an ace doesn't fall AND the betting continues to be strong.

Another reason to call the two bets on the flop is that sometimes people go nuts on the flop and then slow down on the turn. I have often seen a capped flop followed by a one-bet turn (or worse: checked around!) at the low-limit tables.

But all the logic in the world doesn't help when you are sitting there knowing you have at best two outs (and you were right -- turns out you had only one out). It is brutal when you make a close decision, and you would have won, but it happens.

[Quads]

I also don't respect the value of a $3/6 limit game, so take what I said with a grain of salt.

[jbdanutz]

Originally Posted by Quads

I also don't respect the value of a $3/6 limit game, so take what I said with a grain of salt.

I can see why......But I am trying to make it to "Balla" status like you quads , all my bankroll can handle as of now