[BigWoody]

Everyone has been playing pretty tight up to this point. The regular group is about 2/3 tight solid players and 1/3 crazy. All the crazy players basically busted before the FT. Keep in mind that the tight players still make position steals, c-bets, etc.

SB: ~6K
BB: ~10K
UTG: ~15K
UTG+1: ~25K
MP1: ~12K
MP2: ~9K
HIJACK: ~20K
CO: ~21K (Hero)
OTB: ~10K

Blinds: 100-200

Pre-flop: Hero is dealt K J
2 folds, MP1 raises to 800, 2 folds, Hero calls 800, 3 folds.

(Pot: 1900)
Flop: K 7 2
MP1 bets 1200, Hero calls.

(Pot: 4300)
Turn: T
MP1 bets 2000, Hero calls 2000.

(Pot: 8300)
River: 3
MP1 checks, Hero bets 4600, MP1 calls 4600.

(Final Pot: 17,500)

MP1 made a crying call and then mucked Q Q.

I thought his call on the river was pretty bad. He told me afterwards that he bet the turn only because he thought I might be trying to float it on the flop. Clearly once I call the turn, he has to give up on the river like he did, but his pay off was pretty bad. He seemed a little tilted by the hand, and promply blew his chips off 2 hands later with A-2.

I posted this in stategy because I was curious as to what people thought of the play in this hand.

[jdunford]

Well, I guess a raise to 800 wasn't enough to get KJs out of the pot. I don't know what the blinds were, but his raise could have been larger and maybe you would've dumped your inferior cards preflop.

After the flop, he could've gone with a 1/3 pot continuation bet (doesn't have to worry about not giving odds to striaght or flush draws, since there aren't any) just to see if you hit your K or not. Again, I don't know the size of the pot (because I don't know the blinds), but I'm guessing his post-flop bet was more like half the pot (a waste of chips with an overcard on the board which could very well have paired your hand). Then, when you called (or maybe even raised a smaller post-flop bet), give up on the hand when a Q doesn't hit on the turn, knowing that queens aren't good.

Pretty typical hand. Not much more to say.

[99%evil]

KJ is not that great a hand, suspect cards. Obviously playing with weak players. Many hands have you beat, the other player should have slowed down with a King on the board and a caller. Pretty blah hand. Any decent player would put you on a king and throw the Q's away. A decent player would have felted you with AK or KQ.

[jmc]

Blinds were 100/200 because MP1 raised to 800 + hero's call = 1600 + 300 = 1900 pot

I'd argue that calling the 800 preflop with KJs is a little loose if you give MP1 credit for a decent hand -- however, you played it fine post-flop. I'm impressed by the river value bet though. You're not afraid that he might check/call AK on the river there?

He really can't call that river with QQ. MP1 pretty much has to think that you are on some sort of total bluff to call that river.

[BigWoody]

I called pre-flop with the KJs because these guys are pre-flop raise and take it/re-raise and take it style players. They play very poorly after the flop, it wasn't the first pot he had opened recently, so I didn't give him credit for a hand like he had right off the bat. After the flop he could have AK/KQ, but I don't have any info to know that - so I flat called the 1200. Once he lead the turn with a fairly weakish bet, I figured he most likely had QQ, JJ, 99, or KJ. So I again just flat called. He is a poor post flop player and overvalues top pair hands and would have certainly bet again with a better King. So once he checked the river, I assumed there would be some value in a small bet as it may get payed off by a decent PP.

The blinds were 100-200, and I had 20k, your telling me you wouldn't take a flop with a bad post-flop player in position with the stacks as deep as they were... it's not like I called off a 1/5 of my stack pre-flop...

A decent player would have felted you with AK or KQ.

How exactly? You think I'm sticking in 20k with 100-200 blinds with KJ??? If so, you're nuts...

[99%evil]

I've read all your posts, from the beginning...well, some weren't your hands, so it's hard to say, but yes, I could see it, but you wouldn't post it.

I love the no rep thing

Come on now, you're 17 years old, have no life experience, no casino experience, the people you play with are probably teen agers with no clue and yet you talk like you've solved the riddle of poker ...like it's solve-able. Every post you make it's a marginal hand with some moron making an even worse play...how else am I supposed to take your posts? I'm not going to pat you on the back every time you post how you lucked out in a pot. Sorry, I'm a jerk, get used to it...I love this new no rep thing, now I can't get flack for being a prick.

[BigWoody]

Come on now, you're 17 years old

Yes. This about the only factual thing you stated

have no life experience, no casino experience

Life experience? How that is relevant to 'poker', idk.

I DO have casino experience. Not legal experience but plenty of experience nonetheless. I play A LOT on the Sun Cruz right up the street. Probably about 3-4 times a week in their 2/5 NL game. It is very easy to sneak on with a fake ID, they slopily check them - at best.

the people you play with are probably teen agers with no clue

I play in multiple homegames around my city (because of my age it is difficult to play online/dangerous aswell, and I'm allowd into almost every homegame I've attended so I stick with those), one of which is with my friends. That occurs on Friday nights usually, and due to its frequency most of them have become pretty decent players. Most of them are also winners in our game.

I'm not going to pat you on the back every time you post how you lucked out in a pot.

I honestly can't remeber the last time I bad beated somebody to lucl out and win a pot... so I don't really know what your talking about.

GL being a more comprehensible person.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

I've read all your posts, from the beginning...well, some weren't your hands, so it's hard to say, but yes, I could see it, but you wouldn't post it.

I love the no rep thing

Come on now, you're 17 years old, have no life experience, no casino experience, the people you play with are probably teen agers with no clue and yet you talk like you've solved the riddle of poker ...like it's solve-able. Every post you make it's a marginal hand with some moron making an even worse play...how else am I supposed to take your posts? I'm not going to pat you on the back every time you post how you lucked out in a pot. Sorry, I'm a jerk, get used to it...I love this new no rep thing, now I can't get flack for being a prick.

Agreed. There would be + rep for 99%...

Originally Posted by BigWoody

Life experience? How that is relevant to 'poker', idk.

ROTFLMAO!





Tell me you're not serious.

Originally Posted by BigWoody

I honestly can't remeber the last time I bad beated somebody to lucl out and win a pot... so I don't really know what your talking about.

Then obviously you don't play much poker, because luck works both ways. Sometimes you outplay your opponents, and sometimes you think you're ahead but it turns out you hit a lucky river card (to make a boat, for instance) to beat a monster (say, A-high flush) that somebody was slow-playing. And when that happens, its not because you suck. Sure, one could argue that you sucked out, but to the contrary, one could claim you outplayed your opponent because he shouldn't have been giving you free cards when he was vulnerable.

[BigWoody]

Originally Posted by jdunford

Agreed. There would be + rep for 99%...



ROTFLMAO!





Tell me you're not serious.



Then obviously you don't play much poker, because luck works both ways. Sometimes you outplay your opponents, and sometimes you think you're ahead but it turns out you hit a lucky river card (to make a boat, for instance) to beat a monster (say, A-high flush) that somebody was slow-playing. And when that happens, its not because you suck. Sure, one could argue that you sucked out, but to the contrary, one could claim you outplayed your opponent because he shouldn't have been giving you free cards when he was vulnerable.

I'm aware...

I'm sure I sucked out a few times today if you want to be literal right down to the core meaning of sucking out... but not to my knowledge. I don't show down many hands so I don't know for sure, though...

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by BigWoody

...one of which is with my friends. That occurs on Friday nights usually, and due to its frequency most of them have become pretty decent players. Most of them are also winners in our game.

this not very likely....do you see why?