[SeattleSooner]

Help me decide if I played this hand really poorly.

Early in a $35 buy in tournament. 20 players start, there are 17 left. We started with $5000 in chips and I've got about $10000. I've got a very tight image. So far I've only showed down pocket queens and pocket kings. The only other two hands I've played I've won before the flop and wone with a continuation bet on a ragged flop.

The blinds are at $50-$100. I'm dealt A-10 off suit in middle position with one limper in front of me. The limper is very weak passive. I make it $450 to go. The cut off and the button both call. I would classify both of them as weak passive. Both blinds fold and the original limper calls. We see the flop four ways, with the pot at $1950.

The flop comes down Ks-Qh-5d. The original limper checks, I throw out a continuation semi-bluff of $600. The button and cutoff both call, the limper folds. We head to the turn with the pot now at $3750.

The turn is Jc. I bet $1200. Both players call, although neither is happy. Was this bet too small? After further discussion I'll let you know how the rest of the hand played out.

[zeno]

If they both have 2 pair you're almost a 90% favorite to win. If one of them has a set (say queens) you're still an 80% favorite to win.

So, they don't have odds to call but you classified them as "weak passive". Weak passive will call this bet with two pair or a set against your apparent straight, by definition. I'm guessing one of them filled up and busted your nuts.

You didn't mention how many chips your callers had...? Against these kinds of players you might consider making them commit their chips on the turn, especially if you want a fold. If you want a call, and you were justified in wanting one in this situation even against two opponents, then your bet was fine.

Suckouts happen.

[SeattleSooner]

After the turn the cutoff had about $1800 left and the button had about $2500.

[Poboy]

depends on what you mean by weak passive. If they are loose passive, bet more. Loose passives have trouble folding. If they are weak as in, they don't like to call big bets or raises, you're okay as you want to get paid off and there's no real draw out there.

[SeattleSooner]

They are definitely weak. They can sometimes be lose passive preflop, but after the flop you can usually steal pots from them; especially early.

[jojobinks]

i can sense that this will be moved to bad beats shortly. prediction: board pairs or spade comes on turn, yadda yadda yadda, you lose big pot.

you have the nuts. betting more to "protect your hand" is irrational. bottom line is that on this turn you should bet the largest amount that you think will get called.

sorry about your beat, sooner. btw: i'm in the area...get me an invite, yo!

[SeattleSooner]

Actually, it wasn't such a bad beat. Since there was no flush possible, and I was pretty sure no one flopped a set I wasn't too concerned about them drawing out. I thought someone might have turned a set of jacks, but figured it was unlikely.

What actually happened is that a 10 came on the river. I put them both all in and they both called. The cutoff had A-5 for a straight, and the button had A-A for a straight. We split the pot 3 ways. Out of the giant pot, I made $200 profit. When I saw their hands I couldn't believe how bad they both played.

I also had my Ace's near the end against K-10 off suit. But I still managed to win the thing.

If you are serious about playing jojo, it's a once a month game in Lakewood. $35 buy-in. $5 from each person is a bounty. $25 comes off the top for the best hand of the night. There are usually 20 people or so, so we pay the top 4. If more than 20 show up we pay the top 5. The downside is we use dice chips (ick), but I don't host it, and I only have 500 chipco's so I can't cover that many people.

[BigWoody]

I would've checked the turn.

1) It makes it appear as though: you rasied before the flop, and then followed it up with a continuation bet. You got called in 2 spots, so now you're gonna give up on the hand and just check....

2) After you check, that pot looks ripe for the taking to one of the two behind you. Since they are low in chips, compared to the pot. You can expect atleast 1 of them to commit himself with either a big bet or a move in. Leaving you to pick him off when it gets back to you...

The small bet is okay too, but the check just looks sooooo much weaker than firing a 2nd bullet, albeit a small one.

Did you felt both or just one???

Lol @ you backing into the nuts... hehehe.

[Diablo_Rojos]

Originally Posted by SeattleSooner

Actually, it wasn't such a bad beat. Since there was no flush possible, and I was pretty sure no one flopped a set I wasn't too concerned about them drawing out. I thought someone might have turned a set of jacks, but figured it was unlikely.

What actually happened is that a 10 came on the river. I put them both all in and they both called. The cutoff had A-5 for a straight, and the button had A-A for a straight. We split the pot 3 ways. Out of the giant pot, I made $200 profit. When I saw their hands I couldn't believe how bad they both played.

I also had my Ace's near the end against K-10 off suit. But I still managed to win the thing.

If you are serious about playing jojo, it's a once a month game in Lakewood. $35 buy-in. $5 from each person is a bounty. $25 comes off the top for the best hand of the night. There are usually 20 people or so, so we pay the top 4. If more than 20 show up we pay the top 5. The downside is we use dice chips (ick), but I don't host it, and I only have 500 chipco's so I can't cover that many people.

Like the Lakewood near Tacoma or some other Lakewood?

[SeattleSooner]

lakewood near tacoma.