[Poboy]

Villain was shifting gears a bit. He started out LAG, raising junk for a few orbits. Then he tightened up for a while. He was back to LAG when this hand came up. So far though, he hasn't really put much money in post flop without something decent. Worst I saw him put money in with was top pair no kicker, but that's not to say he couldn'tve gotten away with a few.



Full Tilt p0ker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Converter
I've got $22.20
He's got $59.15 (was up to $90, but got outdrawn right before going back to LAG)

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with :Q :J
2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: :10 :3 :K ($0.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, BB calls.

Turn: :8 ($1.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB raises to $5.75, Hero calls.

River: :Q ($13, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero

[Poboy]

No one has any thoughts on this one?

[jojobinks]

clearly it's a fold, right? unless we want to make some sick read that he just has the flush draw.

are we just talking river action?

[Poboy]

You don't think he's ever bluffing/betting with less than a K here? Especially a LAG who checked his BB?



What about jamming the turn?

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Poboy

You don't think he's ever bluffing/betting with less than a K here? Especially a LAG who checked his BB?



What about jamming the turn?

i guess that depends how often you think he'll fold. my experience at this level is not too often. on the flop, you're 50/50...maybe an overbet there can induce some action? but on the turn...i don't like getting it in, b/c i don't think he folds and you're only what, 30% to make the big hand?

he could be bluffing, but sometimes you get bluffed. i don't think it's really my job to pick off huge bluffs with a small hand. my hammer friends have taught me how to find better spots.

[smoore]

You could push back at him on the turn but you need a lot of fold equity to make it +EV. As played, clear fold.

[Salvatore1]

I agree with fold in this spot. There isnt alot you can beat here. You cant beat a king which is what he is representing, you cant beat a hand such as 10 8, or J 9, Q 10 or a set like 33. Since it was a limp pot and he was in the BB he could even have something strange like K 3 or 10 3, or even 8 3. You had a good hand with a good flop to it but its time to wave the white flag on this one imo. As far as jaming on the turn. If you really think he is bluffing or betting with something like a 3 or a 10 or some other small pocket pair where your Q or J would be good as well as the strait or flush then I think its a good play, he can fold and even if he calls you have a good number of outs to hit to win (which you would have if the little hypo I made up was true). One last point, when he raised you on the turn, I dont think you are getting the pot odds to call that bet with just a strait and flush draw with only one card to come. I think you could have folded the hand right there with no worrys. The implyed odds mite be there if you hit and he would call a big bet from you but his turn bet looks like he is trying to get you off a draw if you happened to be one one and take the pot down right there. well thats my 2 pennys. Sal

[Colquhoun]

Originally Posted by Salvatore1

when he raised you on the turn, I dont think you are getting the pot odds to call that bet with just a strait and flush draw with only one card to come. I think you could have folded the hand right there with no worrys. The implyed odds mite be there if you hit and he would call a big bet from you but his turn bet looks like he is trying to get you off a draw if you happened to be one one and take the pot down right there.

Bingo. I think you were priced out on your draw at this point.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by Colquhoun

Bingo. I think you were priced out on your draw at this point.

I didn't think so. I was pretty sure that had it come in, with him raising the turn, I'd make enough on the river.

He was a good LAG, and a decent enough player to be shifting gears. I think he often has a T or busted or draw and is just trying to push me off.


I folded, but I don't think it's such a clear one.

[TheMightyJim2k]

river is a fold. With huge draws like this I sometimes prefer a check-raise or check call on the flop. The check-raise will get villain to lay down a lot of bluffs, the check call might freeze a weak K or T on the turn, and either way you have huge equity going to the turn.

The problem (IMHO) about leading at the flop is that noone believes you in a blind battle, but your hand isn't good enough to go to showdown unimproved. there is a lot of value in this hand, but I think it comes more from making a big hand and extracting from a villain with a K or T, and not from leading the flop and getting a fold from someone holding 86o.