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03-06-2007, 09:50 PM
|  | Poker Nerd (and Admin) | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bottom pair and a flush draw Age: 35
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| | | p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
my stack is below the average of 5k-ish. villain is amongst chip leaders and is 37/9
POKERSTARS GAME #8776669076: TOURNAMENT #44653839, $4.00+$0.40 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2007/03/06 - 22:41:31 (ET)
Table '44653839 12' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: enright3060 (14398 in chips)
Seat 2: thejojobinks (4215 in chips)
Seat 3: Infiniti_Vip (1350 in chips)
Seat 4: OTCmoney (4030 in chips)
Seat 5: Villan (7742 in chips)
Seat 6: Seanallin99 (10377 in chips)
Seat 7: candaceland (1700 in chips)
Seat 8: tealgar (9272 in chips)
candaceland: posts small blind 100
tealgar: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thejojobinks [Kd Qd]
enright3060: raises 200 to 400
thejojobinks: calls 400
Infiniti_Vip: folds
OTCmoney: folds
Villan: folds
Seanallin99: folds
candaceland: folds
tealgar: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 3s 8d]
enright3060: checks
thejojobinks: bets 1000
enright3060: raises 2000 to 3000
discuss. |
03-06-2007, 10:04 PM
|  | Big Stack | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Superfund Central
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
folds fun time for all. 
I'm going to guess that enright has a big pair. Without any knowledge of way he's playing. He's making the minimum raise to get people in the pot. Flop comes with a possible flush draw on the board two diamonds. He wants to protect his big pair from getting drawn out by going over the top. |
03-06-2007, 10:22 PM
|  | LNPT Playa! | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Age: 26
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
Does it make me to tight to say fold preflop?
Edit: Why not check behind? He's giving you a free shot at your flush? |
03-06-2007, 10:29 PM
|  | World Series Champ | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lakewood, CO Age: 37
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
Check behind the flop.
As played you've just priced yourself into busting. gg.
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03-06-2007, 10:36 PM
| | Big Stack | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Superfund Central
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
If you call the raise you'll be almost all-in with 815 left and pot committed. If you fold you'll have about 2800 left not really the best spot, but could be worse you could be out.
WTF raise all in. |
03-07-2007, 01:18 AM
|  | ChipTalk.net Article Writer | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Age: 25
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
unless he has AA or KK you are getting odds to shove with at least one over card and a flush draw. I'm gambling because I want to build up some chips in a MTT. If this is a SNG I muck, but I think you have to lay it on the line in these situations every once in awhile because online tourney structures just don't give you enough play. You're going to have to get lucky and win a pot eventually, why not with a flush draw and two overs? |
03-07-2007, 01:33 AM
|  | Faux Clay Nation | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Parma, Ohio
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
Min raise in early position pre-flop, with no follow up bet on the flop. That's kind of strange.
I'd probably peel off a free turn. If I raise though, and he re-raises here, I say you put all of your chips in on the flop. Kind of low, two overs and a flush draw, with 1/3rd of your chips in the pot already, I push. |
03-07-2007, 11:46 AM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Age: 37
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
Ditto others in taking the free card, but let's deal with the here-and-now (as it were)...
He min raised preflop and you called with a marginal hand, but with position to see a flop. The flop wasn't too bad for you. He checks - why?
He has a very strong hand - 88, 55, 33, AA, KK, QQ
He has a made hand - JJ, TT, 99, 77
He has a draw - Axd
He has garbage and is bluffing.
With no previous read, any of these could validate the min raise preflop.
He raises enough to put you AI if you call. Why?
If he has 88, 55, 33, AA, KK, QQ - he's got your 1000 chips and he doesn't want to get sucked out on (basically 9 outs for you)
If he has JJ, TT, 99, 77 - he's got your 1000 chips and he doesn't want to get sucked out on (basically 15 outs for you)
If he has Axd - he wants you to think he's got your 1000 chips and he doesn't want to get sucked out on (6 outs for you)
If he has garbage, he's still bluffing (you may already be ahead)
It's likely you're beat already and even factoring in the total bluff factor I'd guess this has a neg EV.
By my calc you've got 2815 left and there's 5100 in the pot = 1.8:1. So no flush draw is justified based on pot odds.
I'd fold, but if you called I hope you got lucky!
PS - my guess is the Axd
Last edited by FL70 : 03-15-2007 at 07:51 AM.
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03-07-2007, 12:12 PM
| | World Series Champ | | Join Date: Mar 2005
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
There's no fold equity, so pushing is just gambling.
I'm out.
Preflop min-raise + flop check-raise = heeeeeeeeeeeeeee hawwwww = you're crushed. |
03-15-2007, 01:11 AM
|  | Poker Spellcaster | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NLHE cash table Age: 39
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| | | Re: p* $4 x 180 with about 50 left.
Biggest stack minraise PF UTG, then CR the flop. Reads here are absolutely critical.
Did he get lucky on a few hands, and otherwise plays solid? (I'm guessing not.) Or, is he pounding the table with constant betting? Any indication that his minraise PF here indicates donkeyish play, or is he tricky? Has he seen you fold in a big pot? Has he seen you fold to a CR?
Lots of read-dependent variables here. |
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