[jetra2]

So I'm a bit confused on this hand. Villain (MP1) just joined the table after a knockout no more than 15 hands ago, and he's been playing pretty tight. In retrospect, I'm putting him on a medium ace, A-8 thru A-T, maybe a club draw. I personally was drawing for a ten to make broadway, and his bets were making the odds good, when you add in the implied odds (+10% or so), to draw to it.

Here is the hand:

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

PokerStars Game #8738992242: Tournament #44474246, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/03/04 - 18:27:24 (ET)
Table '44474246 10' 9-max Seat #5 is the button

UTG+1 - t4660
MP1 - t2960
MP2 - t930
MP3 - t1440
Button - t2105
SB - t4480
HERO - t2890
UTG - t3110

PREFLOP Level IV (50/100)
HERO is BB with J K
2 folds, MP1 calls t100, 3 folds, SB calls t50, HERO checks.

FLOP t300 (3 players)
Q A 6
SB checks, HERO checks, MP1 bets t100, 1 fold, HERO calls t100.

TURN t500 (2 players)
Q A 6 K
HERO checks, MP1 bets t100, HERO calls t100.

RIVER t700 (2 players)
Q A 6 K 7
HERO bets t400, 1 fold.

Results
HERO collected t700 from pot

Final Pot: t700

The bet on the river was a stone cold bluff, obviously, but it made sense to me to bet into that board. Donkey play or good bet?

Thanks,
Jason

[yeltzen]

Mostly a donkey play, IMO. I'm folding to the flop bet for a two reasons: you're only drawing to 3 nut outs (:Tc puts a possible flush out there), and my pair outs might not be any good; the pot is really small - I don't care about losing it.

A few questions:
- Why not raise preflop? If the player has been tight, you could win a decent sized pot right there. Most players limp like this with small PPs and suited connectors, and will fold to a raise. Winning a pot like this preflop with a hand like KJs is a nice result.

- I don't mind you taking off a card on the flop, and calling a tiny bet on the turn in hopes for a free showdown, but why the heck are you betting the river? You won't get called by a worse hand, and not too many hands better than you will fold (a weak A might). My guess is he had a hand like 88 anyways.

[smoore]

I fold that flop, screw it... I'll find a better spot. Luckily you were in the pot with someone who's either weak or holding a weak hand.

[TheMightyJim2k]

if you're going to play the hand that way then the river play is to check call a small bet and fold to a big one. If he's bluffing with nothing you want to induce another bluff with you're now second pair hand. If he has a decent hand you are probably getting called there to often for that bluff to be +EV.

I think what we have here is a case of "bluffing with the best hand". You thought that a big river bluff was the only way to win the hand, but really you only get called by hands that have you beat, and fail to induce a bluff from all of the hands that you have beat.

bad play IMHO.

[littlebu]

I agree with TMJ. Personally I would have just folded the flop for the reasons already mentioned.

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

if you're going to play the hand that way then the river play is to check call a small bet and fold to a big one. If he's bluffing with nothing you want to induce another bluff with you're now second pair hand. If he has a decent hand you are probably getting called there to often for that bluff to be +EV.

I think what we have here is a case of "bluffing with the best hand". You thought that a big river bluff was the only way to win the hand, but really you only get called by hands that have you beat, and fail to induce a bluff from all of the hands that you have beat.

bad play IMHO.