[jojobinks]

this is the final table. only first place pays. average chipcount is 4666. masterbrewer raises a LOT of hands (17%+), and warewulf has squeezed me out once already when i flatcalled a raise from dajebriza.

FullTiltPoker Game #1826283960: SCS Chipset Tournament (13239569), Table 2 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:09:15 ET - 2007/02/18
Seat 1: MasterBrewer (6,585)
Seat 2: TRAVMANZ (4,764)
Seat 3: dajebriza (1,658 )
Seat 4: mwfeldman (4,090)
Seat 5: Warewulf (1,961)
Seat 6: FSU88 (6,482)
Seat 7: MrsWheaties (6,475)
Seat 8: _imthatguy_ (6,450)
Seat 9: BurroPuro (3,535)
Warewulf posts the small blind of 60
FSU88 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mwfeldman [3d 3s]
MrsWheaties folds
_imthatguy_ folds
BurroPuro folds
MasterBrewer raises to 360
TRAVMANZ folds
dajebriza folds
mwfeldman calls 360
Warewulf raises to 1,000
FSU88 folds
MasterBrewer folds
mwfeldman has 15 seconds left to act

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

this is the final table. only first place pays. average chipcount is 4666. masterbrewer raises a LOT of hands (17%+), and warewulf has squeezed me out once already when i flatcalled a raise from dajebriza.

FullTiltPoker Game #1826283960: SCS Chipset Tournament (13239569), Table 2 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:09:15 ET - 2007/02/18
Seat 1: MasterBrewer (6,585)
Seat 2: TRAVMANZ (4,764)
Seat 3: dajebriza (1,658 )
Seat 4: mwfeldman (4,090)
Seat 5: Warewulf (1,961)
Seat 6: FSU88 (6,482)
Seat 7: MrsWheaties (6,475)
Seat 8: _imthatguy_ (6,450)
Seat 9: BurroPuro (3,535)
Warewulf posts the small blind of 60
FSU88 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mwfeldman [3d 3s]
MrsWheaties folds
_imthatguy_ folds
BurroPuro folds
MasterBrewer raises to 360
TRAVMANZ folds
dajebriza folds
mwfeldman calls 360
Warewulf raises to 1,000
FSU88 folds
MasterBrewer folds
mwfeldman has 15 seconds left to act

instafold... small blind making a overbet. I say they have a big pair or atleast AK. They want it heads up because they are first to act after the flop. Maybe JJ so they want to take it down right then. Its almost guarenteed they have 33 beat...

[vrecksler]

I am leaning towards fold, but not instantly. Realistically, at best I am racing for half my stack, and at worst I am drawing to two outs. However, looking beyond my initial reaction I see that Warewulf is a smart player and no doubt he notices things when playing. If I folded to a squeeze play earlier, it is safe to say Ware noticed it and made a mental note.

If I look at the hand from Warewulf's perspective, here is what I get. Jojo calls from the button; he does not re-raise so no big pair or strong medium pair, and likely no AK. He did call a raise from one of the bigger stacks, so he has something, but it seems clear that unless Jojo is using some very tricky slow play, his hand is not good enough to call another raise.

Then Ware remembers that Jojo laid down in a similar situation before and it looks like another good spot for him to do the same. Ware's stack is low as well so by putting out a raise of over half his stack he is sending a message that he is pot committing himself and he knows that Jojo will pick up on this since he is a smart player as well. I think it was a shrewd play by Warewulf really, but I am not sure if it was an outright bluff or a move to pick up what he saw as dead money with a hand that is susceptible to domination and will be racing a low PP.

My guess would be that Warewulf had something like AT, but either way I do not want to race...if I wanted to race, I would have pushed rather than called the first raise.

[luckychick]

I think I fold. The blinds are still somewhat small relative to your stack here, so you have time even though you are in the bottom half of the pack. The raise from warewulf seems suspicious - he's putting in over half of his stack, (likely) commiting himself to any pot in which he gets called in, which means you're committing half of your stack... because if you're not going to fold now, are you going to fold on most flops? I think he at worse has a hand were he doesn't mind a fold or one caller, and at best has a very strong hand and is trying to get all his money in somehow.

(BTW, I answer these strategy Q's not because I think I know the answer, but because I'm hoping it will help me.)

[luckychick]

Originally Posted by vrecksler

If I look at the hand from Warewulf's perspective....

I read this after I posted. This analysis makes total sense to me. On the other hand, I often dig myself into a hole overthinking things. Either way, it's obvious vrecksler is thinking way higher than me....

[PFunk]

The fact that Warewulf was so short on chips behind him, after his 1k re-raise, and the fact that MasterB folded leaving you head up, and there is already what, 1900 in pot? leaving you to call 640. I can see you jamming the pot here or folding and letting it go...thats just my opinion. Your getting the odds here, and I see no reason to just call here and fold to the obvious all-in thats coming on the flop. He's represening a big "made" hand here, and is commited. Either push or let it go. Call-folding here unless you hit your set would be pretty weak-tight imo, and not a very optimal play.

Interestingly though, I think had he pushed all in here pre-flop, you probably would have folded?. Damn 3's

[scottwire]

It depends on your read on warewulf. If you believe his range is {TT+, AKo, AKs} you should fold. If you think his range is bigger than that you should probably put him all in.

[luckychick]

Originally Posted by scottwire

It depends on your read on warewulf. If you believe his range is {TT+, AKo, AKs} you should fold. If you think his range is bigger than that you should probably put him all in.

If you have 33, why is AK better than A9? or TT>77?

[TheMightyJim2k]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate to mix things up (or maybe this is how I really play....mwahahahaha)

Couple of things to realize....you have to get all of the chips in a tourney like this, so sometimes you are likely going to have to win some coinflips to win it all. if this is a coin flip we have a dead money overlay and a chance to knock out another player without being busted, so we want to race. Second thing is the image we have created at the table (and in past tourneys). Jojo is a player who typically doesn't like to call off all of his stack, and prefers to play after the flop when possible. Players like that tend to get picked on preflop by small-med stacks with all-in shoves. I know I've been on both sides of the equation, and it is a dangerous weapon to use against the med stack in a tournament where you have to pick up chips.

I think that a lot of the time here ware is making a play with a couple of big cards or a decent A figuring that he isnt likely to get called very often. He needs to pick up some chips and he knows that a thinking player like jojo will probably lay down to this raise with all but the biggest of hands. He is leaving the 900 behind because a insta shove only gets called by the really big hands that he is likely behind.

I actually like one of two plays here. You can always reshove and just hope to be coin flipping here, but I prefer a stop and go for the rest of his chips. Maybe he's pot committed, but its a lot harder to call an allin with A or K high for your tourney life if you miss the flop.

I want to run some numbers on these two plays, but its late so I'll wait until tomorrow at work....

play #1 (reshove)
play #2 (stop in go on any reasonable flop something like no A and no two paint)

I think if we give him a reasonable range here we might actually have some +equity. and in a tourney where first is all that matters you really need to take +EV situations whenever you can get them.

[scottwire]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

play #1 (reshove)
play #2 (stop in go on any reasonable flop something like no A and no two paint)

I think if we give him a reasonable range here we might actually have some +equity. and in a tourney where first is all that matters you really need to take +EV situations whenever you can get them.

Warewulf is first to act on the flop. How does Jojo pull a stop and go? The only advantage to calling here is you get is sometimes warewulf may not hit the flop and check-fold to you.