[DoubleDeuce]

Or did I save myself 25 BBs?

Note, I'm pretty raw as a cash game player. Much more experience in tourney formats and just decided to switch it up and play a ring game instead. Table is fairly tight, not very loose aside from 1 or 2 specific players. The guy who calls my raise hasn't been loose except against those specific LAGGY players.

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won
PokerStars Game #8287925344: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/02/05 - 02:01:47 (ET)
Table 'Petrina III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
iceman0101 - $25
Jwells30 - $12.80
sf fan - $8.60
Milkytoast Button - $46.65
dewey23 - $16.70
hig2a4life - $16.30
HERO - $27.30
freepokerand - $20.75
PREFLOP ($0.10/$0.25)
HERO is UTG with K K
HERO raises $0.50 to $0.75
, 5 folds, dewey23 calls $0.65
, 1 fold.
FLOP $1.75 (2 players)
6 8 J
dewey23 bets $1
HERO raises $2.50 to $3.50
dewey23 calls $2.50
.
TURN $8.75 (2 players)
6 8 J T
dewey23 bets $1.25
HERO raises $4.75 to $6
dewey23 calls $4.75
.
RIVER $20.75 (2 players)
6 8 J T 8
dewey23 checks, HERO checks.
Final Pot: $20.75


Critique all streets if you like but mostly I'm curious if I should've bet on the river or not. I'll post the showdown later.

[TheMightyJim2k]

I probably call the turn and bet if checked to on the river. I don't like raising that turn where you are likely only getting called by hands tht are beating you. Then you can call the river as well.

I put the villain on JT and think that you catch up on the river when the 8 pairs the board giving you a better two pair. I don't blame you for checking behind on the river. If you know the player really well you can make a thin value bet, but in this spot I just want to showdown.

I like pf (I typically raise a little more), I like flop raise, I would call the turn, and then call the river unless checked to in which I would make a value bet of about 1/3rd of the pot.

[jetra2]

Smells like a 97 to me...but that's probably the worst case scenario. With a paired board and a flush draw, I probably would've checked the river as well, seeing as you had no real piece of that other than an overpair.

Jason

[Colquhoun]

I could also put him on AJ or KJ depending on how he plays. In this case, I think you might be missing a bet on the river. It all depends on what range of hands this guy is willing to play.
With a such a small preflop raise, is he capable of playing J9? If so, he hits top pair on the flop, then a gets a OESD on the turn...is he a player that could make these calls with these cards?

[2_hotty]

Smells like A9 to me. I don't know why, but that turn bet by him immediately felt like a preventative bet, hoping to not get raised, his river check seemed like submission. I would have value bet the river, although I don't think you would have been called anyway.

[yeltzen]

In my vast poker experience, a low stakes player calling a raise on the flop and then betting out on the turn indicates that they just caught up. I have yet to see someone that wasn't a total LAG do this and show down something worse than two pair.

[Colquhoun]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

In my vast poker experience, a low stakes player calling a raise on the flop and then betting out on the turn indicates that they just caught up. I have yet to see someone that wasn't a total LAG do this and show down something worse than two pair.

I tend to agree...I think it was Miller in SSHE that mentioned how to watch out for the bets on the turn. However, in this case, his turn bet was only .25 larger than his flop bet. What makes this strange is a lead out bet on the turn after a call of a bet that was more than 2.5 times his flop bet. I agree he must like the turn card, but if it helped him so much, why would he lead with a check on the river? Unless it is J,10...and he hit his 2 pair, and when the coordinated 8 hit the river, he was worried about a flush OR trips.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

In my vast poker experience, a low stakes player calling a raise on the flop and then betting out on the turn indicates that they just caught up. I have yet to see someone that wasn't a total LAG do this and show down something worse than two pair.

this is my thinking. if he had turned a big hand (a set with TT or a straight) he would probably go for a big checkraise because fish loooove to slowplay. However when fish donk they usually improved their hand, but not to a ton of strength. this is why I put him specifically on JT for a turned to pair. It would make sense for his pf play, his flop bet and call, his turn donk and then just call (two pair doesnt look huge when the board has an obvious straight draw on board and you could have flopped a set). I think we were a dog on the turn but caught up when the board paired on the river. You could value bet when he checks behind, but I don't like opening the betting to get blown off the hand if this guy has some crazy bluff in him or is slowplaying a monster.

so.....what did villain have?

[yeltzen]

I would most likely check this river as well, mostly just because I'm a passive pudwhack on the river.

[jojobinks]

this hand is a good example of why it's good to buy in short. if he bet the river here you'd be in an unwinnable situation, i guess. he's just got to have you beat enough of the time to crush you.