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02-02-2007, 09:42 AM
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Chips: 2,456 | | | Tournament hand I played a tournament hosted by another board wed. night, $5.50 buyin. A few of these guys make their living at tournaments, all of them are pretty good. Translation: I'm one of the weaker players in the tournament.
Villain has been raising somewhat often preflop, and re-stealing at least couple of times with garbage. He's not a maniac though, so his chance of calling my re-raise with garbage is nil.
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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
8 players Converter Stack sizes:
UTG: t4164
UTG+1: t5150
Hero: t2820
MP2: t4925
CO: t2205
Button: t5625
SB: t5381
BB: t1680 Pre-flop: ( 8 players) Hero is MP1 with
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t375, Hero raises to t900, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t525 (pot was t1500). Flop:  ( t2025, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t900, UTG+1 calls t900 (pot was t2925). Turn:  ( t3825, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero is all-in t1020, UTG+1 calls t1020 (pot was t4845). River:  ( t5865, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t5865) Results:
Final pot: t5865
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02-02-2007, 10:24 AM
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Chips: 634 | | | Re: Tournament hand I think you got a little frisky with one pair, and a middle pair at that. I would've been happy to call the raise and try a rope-a-dope play with that guy if you hit. The post flop bet was ok...but it gave him 3:1 to get any draw he may have had. If he had something like 8  9  then he was going all the way after the turn. Maybe since there was 1800 in the pot post flop after the raise, something like the stop-n-go would've worked, and just pushed postflop, forcing him to have a hand that beats you to call...but it is a very risky play.
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02-02-2007, 10:38 AM
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Chips: 543 | | | Re: Tournament hand You have a decent stack here. I'm not really wanting to go to war with 99. I think calling the small raise and looking for a set is what I would do. I think I give to much credit to early raises, but you said this player knew what he was doing so I imagine he has some type of hand. | 
02-02-2007, 10:39 AM
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Chips: 18,504 | | | Re: Tournament hand given your read, i like the reraise but don't like the continuation bet.
i just think the flop hits too many possible hands, and your bet traps you. i really don't like the turn push, as it gives odds for a straight draw to call and nearly guarantees a call from a queen. | 
02-02-2007, 10:41 AM
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Chips: 4,615 | | | Re: Tournament hand Yuck, This hand reeks of JT hearts or some other draw with a piece of the flop.
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02-02-2007, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jojobinks given your read, i like the reraise but don't like the continuation bet. | That's what he said when we discussed it afterward. I c-bet because I thought he might have (ie wanted him to have) AK, AJ, KJs, or a smaller pair.
What do you think of jamming on the re-raise? Quote: |
i just think the flop hits too many possible hands, and your bet traps you. i really don't like the turn push, as it gives odds for a straight draw to call and nearly guarantees a call from a queen.
| At that point, I didn't much care about the straight draw because there was nothing I could do about anyway. No way I should've bet the turn with the flop call, but I'm a donk.
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02-02-2007, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Poboy That's what he said when we discussed it afterward. I c-bet because I thought he might have (ie wanted him to have) AK, AJ, KJs, or a smaller pair.
What do you think of jamming on the re-raise? | i guess the reraise push is about as good as the actual reraise plus giving up on that flop (as i think i'd have done here). i'm just tired of people calling there with QT, so i've been trying to bust less often in that situation.
on the turn, i'd just check behind and pray he made a tiny bet on the river if he hit his straight or has a queen (as many donkareenees will do). also, it's possible we showdown for free if he has KT or some such nonsense.
most importantly, i don't want to be committed with an underpair just because we were aggressive with it preflop. | 
02-02-2007, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jojobinks i guess the reraise push is about as good as the actual reraise plus giving up on that flop (as i think i'd have done here). i'm just tired of people calling there with QT, so i've been trying to bust less often in that situation.
on the turn, i'd just check behind and pray he made a tiny bet on the river if he hit his straight or has a queen (as many donkareenees will do). also, it's possible we showdown for free if he has KT or some such nonsense.
most importantly, i don't want to be committed with an underpair just because we were aggressive with it preflop. | He was aggressive, but no donk. I wasn't worried about a T except the small chance he had AT, but K, Q, or JT (and probably AT) fold to my re-raise.
Result: He had AQ. Most of the people who played the tournament loaded their hand histories into pokerxfactor, so I got to see all hands he played. He restole a couple of times with total garbage, but surprisingly, the rest of his re-raises were just good cards. I wasn't the only one doubting his re-raises though. The button in my hand went out after jamming AJ to the villain's re-raise, who had AK.
Thks all
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02-07-2007, 10:32 AM
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Chips: 1,861 | | | Re: Tournament hand Instead of re-raising 1/3 of your stack and basically commiting yourself, just push preflop and race with him. You're coming up to the wall, you don't have a healthy stack and you are "one of the weaker players". Poooooosh.
edit: Will he lay down AQ in a situation like that? A lot of the value of pushing things like 99 preflop when our stack isn't all that great but can still cripple the opposition is that AQ-AT should fold most of the time and AK should seriously think about it. Of course TT+ is going to call us unless they think we'd only do that with QQ+ but that's a whole different story.
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02-07-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by smoore Instead of re-raising 1/3 of your stack and basically commiting yourself, just push preflop and race with him. You're coming up to the wall, you don't have a healthy stack and you are "one of the weaker players". Poooooosh. | I think jamming preflop was the best play, although I don't think my re-raise committed me. My c-bet did, which I put in because no ace or king flopped. Quote: |
edit: Will he lay down AQ in a situation like that? A lot of the value of pushing things like 99 preflop when our stack isn't all that great but can still cripple the opposition is that AQ-AT should fold most of the time and AK should seriously think about it. Of course TT+ is going to call us unless they think we'd only do that with QQ+ but that's a whole different story.
| Well, in later discussion, he felt he misplayed it too. He said he should've jammed to my preflop re-raise. He was willing it seems to get all-in with that hand, probably based on the likelihood my re-raising range was wider because everyone thought he was stealing a lot.
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