[asam2006]

Originally Posted by Poboy

Hmm. I'd raise preflop. QTs is pretty good in a blind battle.

What does he do when BB reraises with KK?

[jojobinks]

he wouldn't know it was KK, but of course he would need to fold, which leads to the real question i asked a few posts up; is it worth it to raise 300 and risk playing a big pot to win the 150 in blinds?

um...no. it's 5% of his stack. fold and move on.

[BrettButter]

My apologies for not leading along the story a little bit more, that probably would have been a lot better way to do it.

I do feel a little better knowing that I played it pretty well though, just happened to not catch up.

If I raised from the SB and got re-raised, I would have mucked and saved a lot of chips. I just love seeing flops with hands like that, and without raising, I got to see the flop cheaper than facing a re-raise. Unless I sense extreme weakness by my opponent in the BB, or know it's a very tight player who will almost never defend, I wouldn't open that hand for a raise. I want to keep the pot small, and see what the flop brings for it.

He had enough chips to make it worth it for me to call the initial raise though. If that hand does hit the flop, and then hits one of my draws, I have all of his chips.

The way the tournament was handling rebuys was one rebuy per person within a restricted time frame. After an hour and a half there was no rebuys, and this was after this period. If I had the option to rebuy, I would have. I'm very confident in being able to outplay everyone at this game in the long run, but I don't like having that change any of my decisions during the game.

The flop was just way too good to get away from for me, and I took my shot and missed. Thanks for all of the stats and help with it, my mind is a little more at ease knowing that I wasn't a complete donkey (well, for that hand at least )

[asam2006]

That was my point. He did the right thing to see a flop. But I can see the virtue of folding QTs preflop under the circumstance. I must admit I'd want to see the flop too with that hand and I'd probably do what he did.

[smoore]

(no groupthink)

QTs is a fine hand to raise an uncontested SB. If he just calls, I go broke on this hand every time. If he reraises me I have to look at the situation.

this is a great flop to c/r all in being the aggressor preflop.


As played, with the limp/call PF your decision was correct.

[smoore]

Originally Posted by asam2006

What does he do when BB reraises with KK?

he makes a decision?

I mean... c'mon... I limp a lot of hands in the BotB but QTs is NOT one of them. Gimmie your hondo!

[TheMightyJim2k]

how can you fold pf getting 3-1 with QTs when the call is only 1/42nd of your stack. You have to at least limp. Now you could have mucked to the pf raise, but you at least have to complete the blind.

Once he raises to 300 you are still getting 2-1 with a pretty decent hand. If you have confidence in your postflop play and think this is a player that will get all of the chips in there in a marginal situation then it is an ok call.

I have no problem with the call, or if you decided to fold. Either is an acceptable play IMHO.

[DoubleDeuce]

I had a similar situation in a SNG earlier in the week except I was the preflop aggressor. I had built up a stack playing LAG vs tight table and was making another steal. Got called by other big stack at table in SB. I flop OESD and flush draw. SB checks it and I decide to play this hand big, make a strong continuation bet, he reraises and I push it. He calls with top pair (jack with king kicker). Pretty much what I expected, guy taking a stand against aggro player with a single pair hand. I missed both turn and river and got booted out.

Hindsight says I busted but technically I went in as a slight favorite (55-45). Risky? Yeah. Perhaps not the greatest choice in a SNG format, this type of play might be more suitable for a MTT but I decided if I was going to play this style of poker I needed to capitalize on my strong draws. So I don't regret playing it the way I (and you) did.

--Another note--
I think it is a bit funny that the guy puts you on aces after the push. That would be one of the last hands I would think of after the preflop and flop play. I'd be much more worried about TJ, 98, 97, and the draws of T9 and Axs. Those are much more likely than a cooler hand of Aces vs Kings in the battle of the blinds.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by TheMightyJim2k

how can you fold pf getting 3-1 with QTs when the call is only 1/42nd of your stack. You have to at least limp. Now you could have mucked to the pf raise, but you at least have to complete the blind.

Once he raises to 300 you are still getting 2-1 with a pretty decent hand. If you have confidence in your postflop play and think this is a player that will get all of the chips in there in a marginal situation then it is an ok call.

I have no problem with the call, or if you decided to fold. Either is an acceptable play IMHO.

you can fold b/c it's a tournament. the first sentence of your second paragraph is the kind of logic that'll get us in trouble. for instance:

we limp, he raises, we call. the pot is 600. the flop comes Q-hi. we bet out 400 and he raises to 1200. now we're getting 800/2200 to call. that's almost 3:1, so we have to call! now the pot is 3000 and we're pot committed on the turn with top pair bad kicker. then we're talking about getting coolered.

we want to avoid marginal situations when possible. of course this is really tough in the blinds, b/c your hands will be much more varied than, say, the hands you play utg. most of the times i want to punch myself in the face over busting with some dumb hand, it's b/c i got frisky out of the blinds when i flop top pair.

trusting one's post-flop play is one thing, but playing a big pot with QTs is just not good.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by asam2006

What does he do when BB reraises with KK?

Originally Posted by smoore

he makes a decision?

I mean... c'mon... I limp a lot of hands in the BotB but QTs is NOT one of them. Gimmie your hondo!

Yeah. Like jojo said, we don't know it's KK. What to do depends on the size of the re-raise and what we've seen him re-raise with in a BvB situation or vs steal raise.
QTs is a better than avg. hand, and the guy has crap a whole lot here. Against an aggressive guy, he'll often raise his JT or T9 when a T flops.
There's just simply no way to get out of pushing that flop.