[jojobinks]

home game last night. started 7 handed with 100k each (silly, i know).

now we're three handed. me, another very strong player, and a very weak player shortstacked.

Me: 260k (ish), in the BB
Other strong guy (osg): 380k, in the SB
weaky: 54k, on the button

blinds are 4/8k. winner take all format (dumb, i know).

button folds, sb limps, i check with . osg is tricky, i hate my kicker, and the weak player is very short, so i elect to play a small pot.

flop:


i check, osg bets the minimum (8k), and i c/r him to 25k. he calls quickly.

turn:


I check, osg bets 40k.
what do i do on this street, and what's my plan for the river? i'll update tonight after there's a chance for lots of folk to answer. i did discuss this with a few people already. if you know the outcome of the hand, kindly be discreet.

[beekeeper]

Since you don't trust your Ace, even though you could call this bet and still be in good shape relative to the short stack, it appears you're drawing to 6 outs (2 Aces, and three 6's). You took your shot on the flop and got the information that you needed. By checking the turn you've surrendered the lead in betting to your opponent, so it's probable the big stack will see this hand to a show down no matter what you do. The only move you have is a big check-raise here, which is risking more than you want. Fold and wait for positional advantage.

[noelsarchs]

....let's see how I do here with my analysis...

You check raised him, signifying that you had an ace. He called immediately telling you that he had the same hand or better?

Two strong players going at it like this also could mean that either of you is trying to represent the Ace which in this case, you have.

Still a tough one to continue playing with only a 6 in your hand.

Then again, those are usually the hands that call me and bust me anyway, so I have no idea what I would do here.

[scottwire]

That jack completes a lot of hands.

I don't like fighting the big stack out of position with just one pair on this board. You've got a ton of chips and this small pot you wanted suddenly became big. I would elect to fold here and wait for a better spot.

[jamby]

I fold here. The osg has pretty much told you that he's confident about his hand. My hunch would be that he's either flopped two pair or possibly trips. Of course, there's a chance that he's playing a big pocket pair, but I doubt that he would have just limped in pre-flop were that the case. He could even be playing 8-9 or K-Q here and have a straight already too. In any case, I'm outa the pot and waiting for a better opportunity.

-jamby

Originally Posted by jojobinks

what do i do on this street, and what's my plan for the river?

[littlebu]

Not sure to be honest. I think I may have just smooth called the flop bet and lead out on the turn for around 12 - 15K trying to get to a show down cheaply as that was the goal. If he comes over the top on the turn then you would have to decide whether to continue but the pot would be much smaller and easier to get away from.

As played I would probably fold and wait for a better spot.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by beekeeper

Since you don't trust your Ace, even though you could call this bet and still be in good shape relative to the short stack, it appears you're drawing to 6 outs (2 Aces, and three 6's). You took your shot on the flop and got the information that you needed. By checking the turn you've surrendered the lead in betting to your opponent, so it's probable the big stack will see this hand to a show down no matter what you do. The only move you have is a big check-raise here, which is risking more than you want. Fold and wait for positional advantage.

I wouldn't feel like counting the Aces as full outs...

Anyway, you told your tricky opponent on the flop that you have the Ace. He told you he doesn't care. Question is, is the tricky opponent lying? If there is enough familiarity, he could be making a play to push you off top pair. A truly strong hand might go for the check raise on the turn...

[TheJollyJoker]

I'll bite and see how close I get......

A - 10 - 7 flop and osg calls a CR to 25K. You've told him you've got the ace. With 10 - 7 on the board, I'd lean to him having 8 - 9, and looking for a straight.

Jack on the turn, you check, and he pushes in 40K. Either he made his straight, or my initial read was wrong and he's got pocket jacks, and made his set. If that's the case, his call of your 25K CR was pretty ballsy.

With 79K now in the pot, I'd say he's got you beat, unless you pull another ace on the river. Odds aren't in your favor, so fold and hope for something better next time.

Close?

TJJ

[geewhiz41]

I hate hands like this, the ones where it is really unclear where you're at. The key for me is your assessment of your opponent. What does his smooth call of your CR at the flop mean? There are at least three possibilities--I've got a bigger A than you, I'm on a straight draw, or I think you full of ****, because you wouldn't check an A from the BB. The latter case is the most optimistic... he may be discounting your raise on the flop,and in fact, might be holding just a middle pair. His bet on the turn could be nothing but him thinking you've given him the green light by checking. Just on probablility and how I believe human nature works, I gotta believe you are facing one of the two former situations (and have to assume that J helped him if he was drawing).

You have enough of a stack and the blinds are low enough for you to forget about being stubborn and walk away from this hand with little regret. 95% of the time, I fold right here, but otherwise, I'd try another min-check raise. If he sticks around, I'm gone.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Folding is normally the right play, but against a tough opponent your turn check could be read as weakness and they might be making a stab at this pot. They have the stack to do it and try to bully you out.

Most of the time I'm folding, unless I have a good read and then I call a turn bet and try to check call a reasonable bet on the river. I know it is a weak passive play, but we are probably WA or WB here and we either want to keep inducing bluffs or get out of the hand.

Most of the time I'm folding, sometimes I have to look up a big stack bully that I know will make this play. If we are only 3 handed a couple of As can be a big hand so this can't really be an auto fold.

As for hands I seriously doubt that he has any pair as he would have raised pf. A stronger ace would have raised pf as well. The scary hands are random two pair or something like 89 making a straight.

A lot of this is based on the fact that going out second nets me nothing. I'm playing for first only so I can't afford to let the big stack push me off a lot of hands and end up headsup with a dominated stack.