[yeltzen]

Tournament. Getting close to the bubble. No reads because, as most of you know, I don't really pay any attention to that stuff. The table has been sort of loose, I guess, very few preflop raises have gone uncalled.



POKERSTARS GAME #7805872055: TOURNAMENT #39892738, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/01/06 - 23:37:51 (ET)

Table '39892738 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: UsualProto (11949 in chips)
Seat 2: daved123 (3615 in chips)
Seat 3: SlipLIp (9220 in chips)
Seat 4: seng4u (10205 in chips)
Seat 5: jeffanterri (8210 in chips)
Seat 6: Mrnutholder (22173 in chips)
Seat 7: 7digitloser (4015 in chips)
Seat 9: yeltzen (3390 in chips)

UsualProto: posts small blind 100
daved123: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yeltzen [7c 7h]
SlipLIp: folds
seng4u: folds
jeffanterri: folds
Mrnutholder: raises 290 to 490
7digitloser: calls 490
yeltzen: calls 490
UsualProto: folds
daved123: folds

*** FLOP *** [6s 5s 8h]
Mrnutholder: checks
7digitloser: bets 1000



What do you do?
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Push All-In
D) Quit PokerStars Application

[develvjd-]

Fold. Mrnutholder hit his set so you're drawing for your tournament life.

[PhilTheThrill14]

You can't assume everytime there is a bet here that someone hit their set - you'll never win. As usual with Yeltz, it's tough to really decide here with no reads and no idea what the table action has been to date.

I might push here - or I might fold.

[D3scride]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

Tournament. Getting close to the bubble. No reads because, as most of you know, I don't really pay any attention to that stuff. The table has been sort of loose, I guess, very few preflop raises have gone uncalled.



POKERSTARS GAME #7805872055: TOURNAMENT #39892738, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2007/01/06 - 23:37:51 (ET)

Table '39892738 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: UsualProto (11949 in chips)
Seat 2: daved123 (3615 in chips)
Seat 3: SlipLIp (9220 in chips)
Seat 4: seng4u (10205 in chips)
Seat 5: jeffanterri (8210 in chips)
Seat 6: Mrnutholder (22173 in chips)
Seat 7: 7digitloser (4015 in chips)
Seat 9: yeltzen (3390 in chips)

UsualProto: posts small blind 100
daved123: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yeltzen [7c 7h]
SlipLIp: folds
seng4u: folds
jeffanterri: folds
Mrnutholder: raises 290 to 490
7digitloser: calls 490
yeltzen: calls 490
UsualProto: folds
daved123: folds

*** FLOP *** [6s 5s 8h]
Mrnutholder: checks
7digitloser: bets 1000



What do you do?
A) Fold
B) Call
C) Push All-In
D) Quit PokerStars Application

I think this is an easy fold.

Let's assume villain will bet the following hands:

Villain:{ 88, 66, As9s, As8s, As7s, As4s, As3s, As2s, Ac8d, Ac8h, Ac8s, Ad8c, Ad8h, Ad8s, Ah8c, Ah8d, Ah8s, K8o }
Equity: 61.959%
Hero: { 7c7h }
Equity: 38.041%

As far as chip equity goes:

If you raise all in you would be putting in your remaining 2900 to win 4670(490x3 + (100+200) +2900)

0.38 * 4670 = +1175
0.62 * 2900 = =-1798

Total EV = -623

Plus, you still have one more person behind you.

This is an obvious fold because:

1. -EV chip wise
2. -$EV
3. If you fold you still have an M of around 9 which is fine.
4. You have no fold equity by reraising all.

Also is it really worth calling a minraise there with 77? I wouldn't think you have the implied odds based on stack sizes.

[jojobinks]

i wouldn't overcall preflop for that amount with that stack and 77.

at this point, you're working on trapping yourself. fold.

[sawmillthug]

It depends to me on how much i could win if i just make the money. I realize that goes against a lot of beliefs, but its just my opinion. I choose to try and accumulate chips or go home here. I push thinking he is trying to drive me out with anything. If he has an over pair, i still have outs with the open ended and the other 7s. not great outs but still. If he has A6 that isnt suited, I am in great shape here. Personally, i push here. If i double up here im in good shape to get deeper into the money, which is where i want to be. I dont want to be in a 10 dollar tourney for 3 or so hours and win 17 bucks. Just not my thing. Im going for final 2 tables at least.

[PhilTheThrill14]

OK - I still don't like to just auto-fold this. If it is an auto-fold - then we should not have called the initial raise to begin with. Playing this for a set and a set only is gonna be a money loser....

Like I said though - I would need to know how this guy bets - what he's shown down - what the other guy has been doing before I could decide what to do here.

[99%evil]

If you have 7,7 to A,A = Fold preflop. Watch TV.

[shadesofgrey]

Why call the 490? puts you at $2900 or so. its about 15% of your stack to hit a set. I'd either shove or fold preflop.

If you shove and double - you're still roughly below middle stacked at the table.

It depends how you want to play. Either I'd wait for a big hand and shove and hope to triple up, since doublings not going to help a huge amount..... or fold preflop and save the money.

That $1k post flop bet smells. either a high pair trying to stop a straight or flush draw or someone with a 79... you're open ended... and hosed if he has 79... you'd be drawing for a push - yuck! OR its a semi bluff.

You've got the right position, but I dont like the $490 preflop call..... I'd rather be dropping raises in that position vs. calling a 2X-ish BB preflop raise.

Its not an autofold, but its darned close.

[PhilTheThrill14]

I'm just curious as to what the people saying FOLD were looking for on the flop besides a 7. This flop is pretty good.

Should the discussion really be about whether or not to call that $490 pre-flop?