[WolfPack]

post flop you call pot then the bet is the amount in the pot.

[jalsing]

I think in this case it would be the dealers responsibility to either count down the pot and announce the bet as the pot amount, or if house rules bar the dealer from counting the pot (don't know why this would be the case,) to ask the betting player to specify his bet amount.

[tomb1]

I've never seen (heard?) anyone verbally betting "pot" in anything other than Pot Limit, especially in a No Limit game -- home or casino. Now obviously some of you have heard/done this, so my experience must be too limited.

But I think that's not a good thing to do in NL. Very confusing. I can see where a dealer (who just wants to get on with the game) would call the bet as $20. That's what I'd do, unless the raiser had said, "I raise the pot, which is $17" and thrown in a $20 chip.

[ACE'S FULL]

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

I've been told this at the Mandalay Bay, Grand Victoria, and Belterra.

I understand that the dealers need to know when to grab a rake, but it's not as if they keep a absoulute count in their head.

I see this a being one of those, so casinos do, some don't things.

So what you are saying here HQ is the dealers arent supposed to count the pot? They just pull out the rake at will? In most casinos its 3% no more than $5 right... So with that being said the dealers would have to keep a count going if not they are ripping off the players at the table. So if the dealers need to know when to grab the rake how are they to know if they dont have a clue whats in the pot?? Just a question??? As far as the ruling I am not sure not a rule guru but I would think if Quads called "pot" then it should be that of a pot sized bet... In this case the dealer should count the pot to insure the right bet is placed.

[sawmillthug]

verbal bets are binding.. nothing more needs to be said at that point. you put in the 20 when you said 17, dealer should have waiting for the action around. if someone calls, he should then give you the 3 bucks change.

edit: guess since he bet pot i assumed it was a pot limit game. spoke to soon i guess. not exactly sure of the ruling here. would depend on the house rules, and no two sets of those are the same.. i guess another question would be, 17 vs 20, do you think the 3 bucks will keep someone from acting??

[Button Potato]

"POT" Discussion


I opened this thread with "other" expectations...

[smoore]

Impossible to determine a ruling without knowing the house rules. House rules dictate whether or not the dealer is to count the pot for a player. For instance, in CO: I've seen many players ask the dealer to count the pot and the dealer has always refused. I have been told on one occasion that it's actually a Colorado Gaming rule.

My personal feelings on the subject are that the dealer is not there to keep track of information for the players, keeping track of how much is in the pot is part of poker. The dealer should never tell a player how much is in the pot unless in a PL game where it's obviously necessary.

[bolgenmod]

Originally Posted by ACE'S FULL

So what you are saying here HQ is the dealers arent supposed to count the pot? They just pull out the rake at will? In most casinos its 3% no more than $5 right... So with that being said the dealers would have to keep a count going if not they are ripping off the players at the table. So if the dealers need to know when to grab the rake how are they to know if they dont have a clue whats in the pot?? Just a question??? As far as the ruling I am not sure not a rule guru but I would think if Quads called "pot" then it should be that of a pot sized bet... In this case the dealer should count the pot to insure the right bet is placed.

Not surprisingly, there was a thread on the same situation recently in 2+2's Brick and Mortar forum. Many experienced dealers and floorpeople post there, and the consensus was clear: a bet of "pot" has no meaning in a no-limit game.

As for the dealer counting the pot, yes, the dealer should know the size of the pot at all times. BUT, it is the player's responsibility to know the size of the pot in a no-limit game. And dealers are not supposed to count the pot even when a player requests it. The reason for this is simple: it is to prevent theft by the dealer. If dealers were able to fool around with pots (as opposed to simply raking in bets), they would have many more opportunities to steal. (I know, it seems a little ridiculous to me, but evidentially it has been a problem.) So yes, the dealer does know the size of the pot (as ace's full says, he or she has to in order to take the rake), but in a NL game, he or she is not supposed to either tell the player what is in the pot or count it. (I understand that in a pot limit game, a dealer can tell the player what is in the pot, but I don't play PL.)

Link to 2+2 thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=8#Post8381848

[Harlequin011]

Originally Posted by ACE'S FULL

So what you are saying here HQ is the dealers arent supposed to count the pot? They just pull out the rake at will? In most casinos its 3% no more than $5 right... So with that being said the dealers would have to keep a count going if not they are ripping off the players at the table. So if the dealers need to know when to grab the rake how are they to know if they dont have a clue whats in the pot?? Just a question??? As far as the ruling I am not sure not a rule guru but I would think if Quads called "pot" then it should be that of a pot sized bet... In this case the dealer should count the pot to insure the right bet is placed.

It is always the responsiblity of the player to track the rake being drawn from the pot. In Indiana the rake at some of the games is a terrible 10% up to $5, or 10% up to $3. Which is far from them not "having a clue of what's in the pot."

It's up to the dealers to make certain that they pull the correct rake, but after $30/$50 they don't bother keeping track. I can see both arguements. And I'm telling you how it is in those casinos.

It all boils down to what the players intention is as it is percieved by the other contestants. Both sides can make a reasonable claim. If I were the dealer, I would count the pot and declare that the bet. But I would also ask the better to verbally state thier bet if it is not a Pot Limit game.

[retravoh]

Originally Posted by bolgenmod

Not surprisingly, there was a thread on the same situation recently in 2+2's Brick and Mortar forum. Many experienced dealers and floorpeople post there, and the consensus was clear: a bet of "pot" has no meaning in a no-limit game.

If "a bet of 'pot' has no meaning" in this casino's rules, then why wouldn't the dealer rule that the player just called.