Facing a limp/reraise in a key spot

jojobinks · #1 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 10:24 AM

i'm gonna try not to editorialize before people comment.

background. chipper is very tight, but overly tricky IMO. this is the third hand in a row i've raised. i had to laydown to a large reraise once.

Saw Flop | Saw Turn | Saw River | Saw Showdown | Won

POKERSTARS GAME #7247303885: TOURNAMENT #36890690, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VII (100/200) - 2006/11/30 - 23:13:23 (ET)
Table '36890690 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button

FSU88 - t3495
chipper - t2470
MacGrad - t3220
dajebriza - t6215
jojobinks - t6484
Philly14 Button - t3477
w16227 - t3436

PREFLOP LEVEL VII (100/200)
jojobinks is MP2 with Q

A

chipper calls t200, MacGrad calls t200, 1 fold, jojobinks raises t800 to t1000, 3 folds, chipper raises t1445 to t2445, 1 fold, jojobinks??

the pot is 4k+, and it's 1445 to me to call. i ask now for your thoughts.

TheMightyJim2k · #2 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 10:41 AM

its a pretty easy call IMO. The tournament is only paying out 5 spots and only three of them are good money and with the blinds steadily increasing you have to keep accumulating chips.

You are getting better than 2.5-1 so unless he has AA you are getting the right price. If you are wrong you still have enough chips to play a reasonable style (ie you dont have to become a push-bot) considering the blinds and the other stacks at the table. If you win you become the big stack and can start bullying and really accumulating chips on the way to the final table. This is your chance to go big and rollover the table so I'm gambling, but then that is my style.

I'm thinking you called here, but I'm interested to see the results.

Big Mike · #3 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 10:58 AM

I would call for sure. I'm gonna guess that chipper had JJ.

hachkc · #4 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 11:11 AM

Actually, I'm not as familar with chipper or Macgrad's style so here's my general take assuming they are solid players. With 2 limpers in front, I'd put jojo on a solid hand (good Ace, TT+) as I wouldn't expect him to try an steal the pot with multiple limpers and the blinds to act yet. Given that chipper in jojo's opinion can be tricky here, I'm not surprised if he's limped with KK or AA and maybe at worst a mid pair 99/TT (too good to fold, not good enough to raise EP). If he's got AK, JJ or QQ, I expect a raise in UTG as I don't see those being limp/reraise hands like AA and KK can be unless he's getting greedy and hoping for a big flop and wants to isolate.

I say chipper either has 88-TT and is hoping for a race situation against a good Ace or he's limp/reraising AA/KK which is a bit more likely IMO. All that being said, with your stack you call and hope its a race situation. At worst, you'll still have 4k left with an M around 13 versus the chance to go to 8k.

smoore · #5 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:03 PM

Throw up a little and call. You're getting way more than 3:1 and you're holding AQo. You won't be eliminated if you lose.

My opponent would have to show me AA, KK, AK in order for me to fold. Those are the only three holdings we should not call against, everything else we have the best of it when you consider our odds.

bigjohn · #6 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:09 PM

I thnk chipper has a pretty large hand.. Just calls UTG hoping for a raise... Raise comes he only RR almost min amount (to get a call). I would guess AK or QQ +... I would call here and see what he does post flop.. He goes all-in I would worry and fold even if I hit my queen...

smoore · #7 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I thnk chipper has a pretty large hand.. Just calls UTG hoping for a raise... Raise comes he only RR almost min amount (to get a call). I would guess AK or QQ +... I would call here and see what he does post flop.. He goes all-in I would worry and fold even if I hit my queen...

Oh crap, I misread it. I thought he was already AI and jojo still was getting 3.5:1.

Hmmmm, I can fold but I don't like doing it. He could be using image to push a bigstack off of a raise (like he saw the same bigstack lay down before). If we call, we have to assume he's AI on the flop.

So, say we call and the flop comes A hi... he pushes, do we call? What about Q hi?

I sure don't want to re-raise a UTG limp-minraiser with mids like AQo.

Savior17 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:14 PM

Definite call - you are priced in, but I think you might be up against a big hand - AA, KK. I definitely agree with Hachkc in that from EP I would think that QQ or AK would raise for fear of being cracked. Limp/reraise is the classic Doyle play for AA, KK.

SeattleSooner · #9 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:16 PM

savior,

If i read that right chipper only has $25 left after his reraise. this one is going to the showdown.

TheMightyJim2k · #10 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoore

Oh crap, I misread it. I thought he was already AI and jojo still was getting 3.5:1.

Hmmmm, I can fold but I don't like doing it. He could be using image to push a bigstack off of a raise (like he saw the same bigstack lay down before). If we call, we have to assume he's AI on the flop.

So, say we call and the flop comes A hi... he pushes, do we call? What about Q hi?

I sure don't want to re-raise a UTG limp-minraiser with mids like AQo.

Jojo is getting a little better than 2.5 -1 and chipper is essentially all-in as he has left only T25 behind.