[Quads]

So this is a scenario I was in over the weekend in a pot up in Tahoe at the $3/5 NL game. $1,000 max buy in, cash game. Full table. Pretty action based, straddles just about every hand for $10 and $20. A couple of rocks / conservative players, and a few action junkies.

Three players going to the flop. One short stacked. Two large stacks (myself and LJ ((Little John is his name)) .

In the 2nd cut off seat I hold .

I open preflop for $80 and get 3 callers. Me, SS ,and LJ

Flop comes

I flop the nut joint with a backdoor diamond draw. S/S player moves all in for ~200 or so, there is about $275 in the pot. LJ calls, I call.

Turn is a

LJ wants to check to me... SHOWING me his cards and says "I can't open a side pot with you because I already have the straight"

I tell him that his straight might not be good. He gets a little defensive about his hand, and says "OK then, I bet $400 that we have the same hand and we are chopping it... you and I both have A/K"

I go into the tank a bit and ask myself if I call here what is the advantage I have, and if I raise here, do I create a different advantage? How do I manipulate this pot to a) NOT chop with him... and b) ALSO take the side, which he just opened for $400.

I've got about $3500 in front of me, and I move all in. LJ blows a gasket. Blows a gasket because I'm making a move on the pot. I tell him I have 9 outs to fill up, trying to get him off his hand, and disguise my joint and make him think that I have a set. He goes into the tank and calls time. Meanwhile the rest of the table is in hysterics and jabbing LJ for me making a move on the pot. (he just took a horrific beat a few hands earlier)

To my surprise, LJ FOLDS! Short stacks opens his hand to show K/9 which clearly had 3rd place locked up. River was a blank, no diamond, so I missed my backdoor flush, but took down the side that LJ opened. LJ was NOT happy about being blown off a chop/chop hand with another player all in, and he [LJ] was guaranteed 1/2 of the main pot.
So I take down the main, and the side that LJ opened up which had $800 in it, $400 of his.

It was an interesting play, and one that I have never made before, where I just about knew 100% at the flop that I was chopping it with LJ on the flop, but made a move on the pot and blew him off the same hand I held.
I hope I'm able to get in this situation again to see if the conditions warrant trying the move again.

[Deuce]

LJ shouldnt play poker, if you have to fold the nuts because your scared of the river card you should NEVER play poker again!

[Wylecoyo]

Very nicely done, you have coconuts the size of watermelons.

YOU DA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Deuce

LJ shouldnt play poker, if you have to fold the nuts because your scared of the river card you should NEVER play poker again!

except that it's EV+ to fold here. it's close, but it is.

80% of the time he chops what's out there and 20% of the time he loses the $3500 bet.

.80(420+400) + .20(-3500) = -44

now, it's in the realm of possibility that quads is making a move here, but the villain didn't think so. $44 isn't a big swing either way in a game of this size (obviously), but it's not the worst thing in the world to lay down here.

[Quads]

He pretty much imploded after that over the next hour or so and donked off about 2 dimes. He took a horrific beat prior to this hand, and then seeing that I blew him off the joint which would have been a chop had him standing on his head.

Let alone 3 or 4 other people at the table busting his chops about it to rub salt in the wound.

[dad604]

That is a hand worth pushing all in any time. You both have the nut but you are freewheeling to draw the nut flush. You have nothing to lose unless he flop a set and drawing to the FH but he already told you what he had.

[smoore]

Originally Posted by Quads

He pretty much imploded after that over the next hour or so and donked off about 2 dimes. He took a horrific beat prior to this hand, and then seeing that I blew him off the joint which would have been a chop had him standing on his head.

Let alone 3 or 4 other people at the table busting his chops about it to rub salt in the wound.

Haha, you are officially UNINVITED to my home game

That's an awesome play, Quads.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

except that it's EV+ to fold here. it's close, but it is.

80% of the time he chops what's out there and 20% of the time he loses the $3500 bet.

.80(420+400) + .20(-3500) = -44

now, it's in the realm of possibility that quads is making a move here, but the villain didn't think so. $44 isn't a big swing either way in a game of this size (obviously), but it's not the worst thing in the world to lay down here.

The only time I fold the nuts is in Omaha 8 or better when Im certain someone has the same low as me and we are going to lose money by me calling. I guess Im the donk but I dont see how folding the nuts is a good idea. But hey, I dont play at those limits so I guess I dont have room to speak. At my limits Im calling EVERY TIME and if I get unlucky I reload.

[jojobinks]

Originally Posted by Deuce

At my limits Im calling EVERY TIME and if I get unlucky I reload.

me too, but i'm never SURE (the way this guy was) that the other guy held AK as well.

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

me too, but i'm never SURE (the way this guy was) that the other guy held AK as well.

The way I read the post it seemed to me like the guy didnt think he was playing for the chop (if he really had AK, which it looks like he did sinceth OP said he showed it to him). It seemed like he was scared of getting sucked out on because the OP was holding a set. Atleast, thats how I took it so thats why I said he was an idiot