[SpeakEasy]

It was late and I was tired, and I was processing his possible hands for so long that I timed out. Damn the on-line timers. His all-in re-raise was very quick, in case that's relevant to you. Villain was a typical on-line weakish-tight, occasionally over-aggressive player. What do you do and why?


PartyPoker -- $200 NL Texas Hold'em
Table Table 107172 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: SpeakEasy_ ( $442.09 ) -- Big Blind
Seat 3: All2Human ( $266.57 )
Seat 5: wes99 ( $141.35 )
Seat 1: david31622 ( $452.49 )
Seat 10: Callide ( $232.45 )
Seat 2: carddood ( $300.80 )
Seat 9: nog_top ( $152.55 )
Seat 8: rob167 ( $71.30 )
Seat 7: BigDave51 ( $175.35 )
Seat 4: GeorgeDante ( $200 )
wes99 posts small blind [ $1 ].
SpeakEasy_ posts big blind [ $2 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to SpeakEasy_ [ ]
FOLD BigDave51
FOLD rob167
CALL nog_top, $2
FOLD Callide
FOLD david31622
CALL carddood, $2
FOLD All2Human
FOLD wes99
CHECK SpeakEasy_

Flop: (Pot: $7)
[ ]
BET SpeakEasy_ , $4
RAISE nog_top, $14
FOLD carddood
RAISE SpeakEasy_ , $30
ALL-IN nog_top [ $136.55 ] [-- pot is 55+136=188 (after rake), so its 106 to call into a 188 pot]
SpeakEasy_ did not respond in time.
FOLD SpeakEasy_
nog_top does not show cards.
nog_top wins $188.55

[geewhiz41]

Wow. Interesting. I believe I would have called with top and bottom pair, there, and I probably would have gone broke, but that's the game.

I don't think he has JJ, a hand you need to protect and not limp with, and I don't think he has J7, a hand that is unplayable, imo, in early position. He might have 66 or 77, and if that's the case, you tip your hat. But why would he try to chase you out of a pot with a hammerlock on the hand? If you have any sense that he is the type of player to go crazy with just top pair, you have to call.

[hachkc]

Originally Posted by geewhiz41

He might have 66 or 77, and if that's the case, you tip your hat. But why would he try to chase you out of a pot with a hammerlock on the hand?

Flush draw possibly though Speak's reraise would indicate to me more than just a flush draw like A J .

As to this, I have a hard time not calling.

My guess is he had QQ. Why QQ? Because last night someone called my UTG 5bb raise with J6s when I was holding QQ and the flop came J6x rainbow. I bet almost pot, he raises, I push (I had him covered by like $5 at .10/.25), he calls, he wins, I shake my head; player had a 78% VP and like 8-10 TA.

[jojobinks]

AJ spades
89 spades
overpair with a spade?
77?

i don't have poker stove here.

[OnTheButton]

I'd have a hard time letting this go.

You've got a junky hand that hit a junky flop, solid.

Worst case you are playing flopped trips or a flush draw, more likely would be an overpair, (QQ) and he decided to slowplay and get action on the flop with and see if an A or a K hit or not. Maybe an A J offsuit that hit the top pair.

The fact that you have a 6 makes 66 pretty slim, but 77 is possible for a limp and JJ doesn't sound right (as was mentioned) either.

My spidey senses say he has two spades, one a face card, (maybe even the Jack) and is looking to gamble that all to powerful and on-line favorite flush draw.

The only thing I would have changed is to wish that you made the move into him instead of having to respond to his push.

IMO you made the right sized raise on the flop for the pot to represent a strong hand, but when I've played on-line, you never know what people are going to have (your hand is a perfect case in point).

I'd have to make the call, but then again I lost $500 in Vegas this weekend calling hands like that to the flush draw, only to have them hit EVERY TIME on the turn.

[VARoadstter]

Set or also playing 2 pr. You're only beating one hand here, unless the guy is trying like mad to push you out of a draw by overplaying AJ. That's far less likely than you being crushed though. Fold it.

I'm gonna say he had 77, btw.

Edit: Ok, yeah, I can see him playin AJ spades the same way. Still would just fold it if it were me, though.

[geewhiz41]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

AJ spades
89 spades

You're good. The all-in re-raise smells of classic semi-bluff. If he's holding AJs, he's actually a 53% favorite, and if he has the straight flush draw with 89s, he is at 49%. So perhaps it was a good laydown after all.

[gwilkx]

great hand. i'd definitely like more of a read on the aggresor, but in the absence of that i probably have to call.

smells to me like the classic EP limp w/ AA, KK, QQ hoping to trap a late position raiser and everyone in between. he puts you on a jack that you're not going to lay down, and wants to protect against the flush and show how tricky he is limping with an overpair. 67s is the other strong possibility.

anyone you can reasonably describe as "tight" isn't holding J7 here, and i agree that 66 is pretty unlikely. i see this move time and time again with a flush draw, but i don't think that's where i'd put this guy. after you reraise, he's got to know that he probably needs to make his draw, so he takes a card off. the "auto call" leads me to believe that he's thinking that he's trapping you all along (ala: QQ / KK).

you're getting about 1.8:1 to call. if he's got two black queens, you're 70% to win, and you're even a slight favorite against 9 8 . hell, he could have something like 6 7 for bottom two. the only reasonable hand that you're a huge dog to is 77 (oh, and you're a HUGE dog).

if he's weak, your holding hasn't even crossed his mind, so bottom two or an overpair are automatic pushes for him.

speak - what hand did you put him on that made you have to think so hard?

gw-

[imthatguy]

If he's so weak aggro, why hasn't anybody suggested he limped with something like KJo or lamer? I would have probably insta-called if it were late and I was tired.

[Poboy]

I'm folding as is. I see hands jojo posted, a set, top two, or bottom two. Mostly a set though. The re-raise on the flop let's him know he has someone who wants to play. I think he most likely has bottom set and thinks he'll get paid, or he doesn't want you drawing to the flush. In any case, you're only beating one hand here.


I prefer calling his raise on the flop rather than re-raise. If he does have the big draws, he can push the flop correctly. Let a non spade/non straight card come on the turn and raise there (depending on how much he bets). I've posted a Matros article on this kind of situation a bunch of times, and I think it applies here.