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Does anyone fold in this scenario?

Playing in a full 9 player ring game NLHE .25/.50 with about $20. BB has about $18 I think
On the button and dealt Folds around to one late position player who calls the BB another fold the to me, I call the BB, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop comes and one other , can't remember which, but it was of no consequence and didn't pair my 3. I know it was not the J or 5 of spades.

SB checks, BB bets $2 into the $2 pot, late position folds. I call and SB folds. Turn card brings a 4th giving me the nut flush and no str8 flush possibility so far, so I'm feeling that I've got the nuts here as long as the board doesn't pair on the river. BB bets another $4.50 which somewhat surprised me considering the 4th spade on the board. If I had a flush here and it wasn't with the ace, I don't think I'd be making such a big bet here. Myabe a feeler or just a check. I call of course after 'thinking about it'

River brings a brick ( I think), no pair on the board, no str8 flush possible so I've got the nuts. He checks this time (too late) and I bet $5.50 just to try and suck out a few more $$ from him. I know he won't call if I go crazy here, so just trying to get the most bang for my buck. He thinks for a second and calls and loses. He had Jack high flush that he flopped, a big blind special till the turn. He was pissed of course and says "chaser". I told him he should have bet more on the turn, he just made it attractive to go for the nut flush. He says that's "b.s. ... donk" (lol).

So would anyone here NOT call his $2 post flop bet in this scenario? If so, I'd love to hear why not. I don't think anyone is raising so its really call or fold.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:37 PM
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Re: Does anyone fold in this scenario?

I don't see why you need reassurance from the group, it's a $2 bet. That's 200 cents last time I checked. If he bets more than the size of the pot, I would credit him with a pair and an attempt to close it out. I wouldn't fold there, either.

I don't see how you could let him shake your foundation on this one.

I love his logic, that you're a hopeless chaser. Last time I checked, we play with our cards face down for a reason. If the person who flopped the best hand won everytime, then why do we need a turn and river?

It amazes me just how many people with no poker sense call other people donkeys. It's like a 4th grader calling a Division-1A basketball player a weak player.

I mean sure you could fold, if you came to watch the action and not be a part of it. I'm sure someone can explain to you that you have 50 cents invested and don't need to invest anymore. If you came to play poker, then you call this and live with the results whether it hits or not.

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Re: Does anyone fold in this scenario?

Well you do not have the odds on your side with that call 2/4 but I have to agree it is a TEMPTING call to do.
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Well you do not have the odds on your side with that call 2/4 but I have to agree it is a TEMPTING call to do.
Pot odds aren't right but unless the villain's stack is like $10 he definitely has the implied odds
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Re: Does anyone fold in this scenario?

Well it wasn't really shaking my foundation, just made me wonder if I missed something fundamental here. Chasing the nut flush when its only 4x the BB in a heads up pot with 2 more to come didn't seem donk-ish to me. Frankly, I thought his bet after the turn with 4 spades out and him holding at best 3rd nut was more donkish. And really, he could have been on a total bluff on the flop, considering the odds of flopping flush. If it had folded to me here, I probably would have bet out $3 there to represent a flopped flush. Same scenario plays out and the turn is something other than the spade and he bets out 4.50, I'm gone in a heartbeat.

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I don't see why you need reassurance from the group, it's a $2 bet. That's 120 cents last time I checked. If he bets more than the size of the pot, I would credit him with a pair and an attempt to close it out. I wouldn't fold there, either.

I don't see how you could let him shake your foundation on this one.

I love his logic, that you're a hopeless chaser. Last time I checked, we play with our cards face down for a reason. If the person who flopped the best hand won everytime, then why do we need a turn and river?

It amazes me just how many people with no poker sense call other people donkeys. It's like a 4th grader calling a Division-1A basketball player a weak player.

I mean sure you could fold, if you came to watch the action and not be a part of it. I'm sure someone can explain to you that you have 50 cents invested and don't need to invest anymore. If you came to play poker, then you call this and live with the results whether it hits or not.
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Re: Does anyone fold in this scenario?

the question is not a pot odds question, it's an implied odds question.

i know the pot was offering 2:1. the question is, did you get paid 5:1? if not, you took the worst of it.
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Well it wasn't really shaking my foundation..
I know it didn't, I was being playfully dramatic.
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it's a $2 bet. That's 120 cents last time I checked.

??????

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Pot odds aren't right but unless the villain's stack is like $10 he definitely has the implied odds

You are right!
Thats the tempt.
It would not have been tempting if there was noting else to get if you hit.
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??????

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yeah, I was evidently thinking about hours for some reason. 2hrs = 120 minutes

my numbers chart went in a different direction, other than the relative.
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