Befuddled in big pot with TT

scottwire · #1 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 02:05 PM

.25/.50 NL

Relevant stacks:
BB: $15
UTG: $92
Button (Me): $40

I had

on the button with $40 left in my stack.

UTG raises to $2 and has us all covered. UTG is a loose aggressive player and can have anything from AK, AQ, AJ, any pair, suited connectors.

3 callers to me and I call. SB folds.

BB reraises to $5 and only has $10 left behind.

UTG calls, so I narrow his range down to AK-AJ, pairs 99-22, maybe suited connectors. The pot is $17 at this point and I'd have to think AA-JJ reraises here and TT is unlikely because I have the other 2 tens.

The rest of us all call.

There is now $30 in the pot.

Flop comes

Now the befuddling part:
BB bets out $2.25 - I'm thinking now maybe he only has AK/AQ?
UTG min-raises to $4.50 ? 88? 99? set?
??????

Those are some weak ass bets into a $30 pot.

Folded to me and I...

AceOnRiver · #2 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 02:13 PM

think it all depends on how educated your opponents are in this game. if they are prety good then you are def beat.if they are fairly new then you have a the best hand.assuming that they are fairly good then you are beat.those bets that you said were weak were bets designed to look like that.they bet small so that you will raise and then you are trapped. anytime someone bets something small when they have very few chips left they are prolly strong and dont want to go all in and force you out so they bet small hoping you will at least call or maybe raise.thats my opinion on this hand.

good luck

scottwire · #3 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 02:58 PM

Yeah UTG is a decent player so far from what I've seen.

BB is a donk and usually a reraise from the blinds means AA-QQ but the flop bet threw me off.

One of my leaks seems to be when I see HUGE pot + overpair + relatively safe board which is why I am posting this.

What is the best move?

Fold now even getting 6:1 odds.
Call.
Raise to find out where I'm at and fold to a push? If I raise, how big do I raise because even if I get reraised I'll still have good odds to call.
Reraise all in because the pot size is $36 and I only have $35 left?

I'll post my postflop thought process and results later.

PhilTheThrill14 · #4 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 03:11 PM

Seems like a safe flop. What are you afraid of? A set? JJ, QQ, KK, AA? Methinks you need to raise this here - how much is the question....All-in seems like the way to go.

jojobinks · #5 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilTheThrill14

Seems like a safe flop. What are you afraid of? A set? JJ, QQ, KK, AA? Methinks you need to raise this here - how much is the question....All-in seems like the way to go.

i agree. there's ~$35 in the pot. the BB is shortstacked...really we're interested in what UTG has. the silly minraise? an ill-conceived isolation play, i think.

he wouldn't isolate if he were really strong. you don't have enough chips to goof around. push 'em in and get your rebuy ready, imo.

PhilTheThrill14 · #6 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 03:27 PM

I should add that I wouldn't be too happy with what has taken place, but if I'm gonna continue, it must be strong and aggressive. I would also be getting my rebuy ready - sound advice JoJo....

_GUN_ · #7 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 03:34 PM

I think you should be all-in here as well. A set should've check-raised or check-called. I think UTG is being cute and doesn't understand strategy. I would push all-in and assume I was against an AJ/AQ, with 76/24 in your favor against two overs, you need to be all-in with a prepared re-buy.

scottwire · #8 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 04:43 PM

Thanks guys. The situation doesn't come up very often but the few times I have played similar hands I have gotten stacked. This was no exception.

I reraised to $15 thinking that I could fold to a push by UTG. Then I realized duh the pot would be like $100 and I only have $20 more to call.

So BB called

UTG reraises all in

I called.

BB -

UTG -

for flopped top set

and I go busto and reload

gwilkx · #9 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 04:46 PM

i would probably figure BB for a hand that beats your tens. UTG might have eights, nines, a flush draw or (maaaaybe) a set.

i don't see a lot of equity in flat calling, so i agree it's probably either push or fold. if UTG is loose/aggressive, he'll call with his flush draw, any over pair (let's hope it's 88 or 99), and may call with AKs or AQs.

if you push and BB has you beat, you have very very few opportunities to improve. you stand to win $25 from UTG if you have him beat AND your hand holds up.

a borderline situation i think. at $0.25/$0.50, the min raise from UTG could mean just about anything from AK (testing BB about how much he really likes his hand with this flop) to AA (doesn't understand protection well enough to know that $4 isn't enough).

hell with it - push 'em in.

gw-

VARoadstter · #10 (**permalink**) 07-19-2006, 05:13 PM

So you have 3 options at this point:

fold - no you're not going to fold
call - seems a little paranoid and you could end up caught in the middle of the other two hands. not a good option either
raise -So should you be all-in or just pot-committed?

You're all-in.

Edit: Oh, I just read your last. Yeah, you're busto.