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View Poll Results: Have you ever folded Kings preflop? | |
Yes
|   | 18 | 29.03% | |
No
|   | 44 | 70.97% |  | | 
05-03-2006, 08:39 PM
|  | World Series Champ | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The People's Republic of California Age: 93
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Chips: 3,401 | | | Fold K/K Preflop? Have you?
I ran into the situation last night.
Cash Game
$5/10 No Limit.
Pretty Active Table. A few gamblers, a few rocks, and the rest of us bottom feeders. Generally speaking a pretty solid / active table. Quite a bit of action. In total there is about 20 dimes on the table. Most people came in with a fair sized stack. $500 min buy in.
I'm in the cut off seat. There is a live $40 from UTG (one of the gamblers). 9 players on the table. 4 callers on the live $40 and it gets to me, I make it $440 to weed out the field and perhaps just take it down right there, which I'm perfectly OK with not seeing a flop. If I do, the only think that I don't want to see is an Ace.
Button then makes it $940, adding another $500 on top of my bet. Everyone else folds around, and it's back to me and him. I know this player, he's a rather tight player, so I respect his raises. We've played a while in the same room, and know one another's style of play.
I go into the think tank to try and figure if he's just putting a move on the pot with Q's, J's, 10's, or some other hand, or if he does in fact have the only hand that beats me right now.
I fold face up telling him that I can beat his Aces and show my p/K's.
He shows A/A and takes the pot down.
JJ and TT were also folded. Live $40 said he had A/K.
So it would have been an interesting pot, had we seen a flop.
Some time back, a few years ago lets say, I would have never made that laydown in a N/L game with where my game was. It was a tough laydown, but I simply couldn't call preflop without the nuts, especially from this player who was making the re-raise. | 
05-03-2006, 08:50 PM
|  | Poker Nerd (and Admin) | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bottom pair and a flush draw Age: 35
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Chips: 17,154 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? gnarly laydown for what's essentially a minraise.
nicely done, and glad (for you) that he showed his AA. | 
05-03-2006, 08:55 PM
|  | ChipTalk.net Article Writer | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: O-H-I-O Age: 35
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Chips: 223 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? I did once, was in a tourney finals and I raised 8xBB, guy (was a real tight player) comes back all in. He had me covered so I folded. He showed AK though not AA  | 
05-03-2006, 08:59 PM
|  | ChipTalk.net Article Writer | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lake Orion, MI Age: 38
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Chips: 5,832 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? Nice laydown.
Personally, I would have trouble making this laydown especially at the low limits that I play in. | 
05-03-2006, 09:03 PM
|  | Banned | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 33
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Chips: 947 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? I have folded AA preflop before. In a home tournament with an all in bet before me and a low stack folded who would have been all in on the next blind.
The short stack lost the next hand was out of the tournament.
Had I called I would have lost and my chips were covered would not have made the money cut.
One of my favorite laydowns | 
05-03-2006, 10:08 PM
|  | Big Stack | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CA
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Chips: 2,002 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? I don't think I'll ever be that good to lay down the boys preflop. Then again, I don't play at your stakes Quads. | 
05-03-2006, 10:37 PM
|  | Big Stack | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the wonder of it all Age: 34
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Chips: 7,798 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? I've folded them twice preflop. Once I was shown AA for my struggle, the other time I'm still in the dark.
I almost did so again just last sunday playing 2-5NL. EP in the 3 seat [$500], and I raise to 20 with KK. Tight 4 seat [$230] raises to 60, 8 folds. I re-raise to 120. 4 seat goes all in.
I tank, thinking about VA's post, and my instinct says fold, he has AA. Then I say, hey, 3.2:1 is pretty good! That's pretty close odds, right? Maybe he doesn't have AA. He *could* have AK, QQ. Why not? So I very reluctantly call against my initial read.
Of course he shows AA. Feh. I spiked a K on the turn, but was pretty upset at myself for what I had already knew was a bad call, but made it anyways. SpaceDonkey rulez.
On a side note, a few orbits ago that session I successfully got it all in with AA preflop with the ol' limp-reraise in EP. That's 5-5 now at Foxwoods in the past 6 months. Against 99, QQ, KK, JJ, QQ, JJ. I'm also now 0-5 in pots won with this move. Hurrah! | 
05-04-2006, 10:12 AM
|  | In the Money | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chico, CA Age: 39
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Chips: 144 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? I probably would have lost my shirt on that one, even against a known rock.
jw | 
05-04-2006, 10:34 AM
|  | World Series Final Table | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin
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Chips: 791 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? Last night at Badger Poker (WI) a short stack went all in, called by the chip leader, and then another player went all in, also to be called.
Two short stacks had Ace+small, chip leader had pocket kings.
One short stack ended up making an ace-high flush. The other made 2 pair. Pocket kings lost. | 
05-04-2006, 11:51 AM
|  | Creativity Alliance | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: land of diminishing chips Age: 100
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Chips: 835 | | | Re: Fold K/K Preflop? Ah, the classic Phil Hellmuth conundrum.  I haven't been able to bring myself to do it to date, but a good read and a big enough bet might someday convince me to.
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