[jojobinks]

i'm learning the game, and basically nut-peddling at micro-limits on p*.

here's my question. you have the nut flush or straight, and the board pairs on the river.

you've bet the full amount on the turn and gotten a caller.

is this a garden variety check/fold situation? discuss.

[CaptLego]

I don't play much Omaha (it makes my head hurt too much), but I'm guessing that you're more concerned about a full house here than you normally would be at hold'em... So since I haven't a clue what I'm talking about, here's my opinion:

I don't like checking here, because you're just inviting somebody to take the pot away from you. I like making a small bet here. The guy may fold on a busted draw, or he may call a small bet with a worse hand. If he comes back over the top of you, then you're more certain that you're beat and can get away from it easier.
Part of the idea behind the small bet is you may get him to call for less money than you'd be tempted to call yourself if you check.

Is that just a long-winded way of saying "I'm a donkey" ?? Anyhow, that's the line I'd be inclined to take, so I'd appreciate comments/advice on that approach.

[_GUN_]

When I'm playing limit or NL at low limits, sometimes I check-call the river out of position. When playing against weak players, I think the more aggressive you are, the more it induces them to play back at you in a wild fashion. Playing at micro levels, sometimes people fold to that third shell. I think if he flopped a set he should've been raising you with his good drawing hand anyways. I think 1/2 to 3/4 the pot is good to bet here. If he's got poker sense and bottom set, he'll cold call rather than raise you here anyways.

I like 1/2 to 3/4 the pot personally, and I'll fold if he reraises me the pot, unless I think he's a donkey. My 2 American cents.

[Vitesse304]

I've found that online PLO, especially micro limit plays like holdem.

it that situation at higher stakes or with more experienced players is check/call.

A flush is still a good hand, and you a decent PLO player won't chase for the boat.

but take my advice with a grain of salt...I've only been playing PLO for about 6 months...it's a great change from holdem, and I've won every PLO game at our home game!

[Poboy]

Typically, unless you made your hand on the flop, a set is likely to be the aggressor. Sets in PLO are a lot like TPTK in Hold Em. So you'd need to think about what the player did on the flop. If you bet and got raised on the flop, made your flush/straight on the turn and bet the pot and got called, there's not many hands that would do what he did besides top set. In that case, you would probably want to check/call weaker players, and do the pot odds math on the turn for good players. If a good player had the odds to call your turn bet, then I would probably check/fold.

If a guy just called all the way, I would probably bet around 1/3rd to a half of the pot or so. Weaker flushes or non nut straights may call, if you have a nut straight you might fold a splitting hand, and if a guy made the big full, he'll raise you. The only hand that you could beat the would raise you is a stone cold bluff, and then you'd have to decide if this guy would call off most of his chips, then raise at the end with nothing (not very likely). And, an underfull should just call you, minimizing your losses there.

[plz]

For pot-limit Omaha (high only, not high-low split), the general rule of thumb in the games in which I play is: if someone bets on the river and you don't have the nuts, get out. This is especially true when the river bet is NOT the size of the pot, but generally true for any size bet on the river.

There are situations in which this rule of thumb needs to be bent: (1) if the river bettor is very aggressive, he/she may be trying to push out a flush on a bluff; this is read-dependent and usually requires that you know the bettor's playing style reasonably well; (2) if there are a number of beginners in the game who might think that their trips with ace kicker (or even two pair) might actually win the pot; (3) if a player with a non-nut flush sees that no one is betting as if they have a boat, and decides to make a semi-bluff at the pot.

Most of the time, if you are consistently betting the maximum with your nut flush or straight, and the other players are just calling (especially if they take a while to call), you can be pretty certain they're drawing to a boat. If your bets have reduced their pot odds/implied odds to less than favorable for their draw (usually less than 4.5:1 after the flop and turn), even the most aggressive gamblers tend to hesitate before calling a pot-size bet. Once in a while, a player with the second or third nut flush will call as well, and distinguishing this call from a caller with a boat draw will depend on your ability to read the caller.

[PFunk]

check/fold, or check/call.

You have to size up your opponent though...If they are a strong player, theres a strong possibility the river just blanked you, and you're probably dead....Nobody calls huge bets against a straight or flush board unless they have one, or have a set...that or they are a moron which is also in a great percentile range depending on where/what limits you play.