He's lost his mind

jojobinks · #1 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:22 PM

from page 131 of Aces and Kings:

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Originally Posted by about Phil Hellmuth

...he insists that, on the whole, he can pick his spots so sparingly and so accurately that he will almost never put his chips in danger. "My game has to be sharp -- and the fact of the matter is I'm only sharp enough 20 per cent of the time," he says. "But there will be a time in the next year or two when I fold pocket Aces before the flop."
"If you want to be the best in the world at something," he says, "sometimes you have to invent a new way to do it."

emphasis added by poster.
anyone else think that he might actually have gone mental with that idea?

Wylecoyo · #2 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:25 PM

I think he may be onto something with the mucking pocket aces before the flop. After all, HE CAN DODGE BULLETS BABY!!!!

I think I will try this play the next time I score rockets to see how it works.

tastic · #3 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:27 PM

I'll believe it when I see it...sounds pretty nuts to me...

circlencircle · #4 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jojobinks

from page 131 of Aces and Kings:

emphasis added by poster.
anyone else think that he might actually have gone mental with that idea?

I understand what he is getting at but folding AA preflop would never be appropriate...

Ramstone · #5 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:44 PM

It can be appropriate, like in a 4 way pot, final table, where you are big stack. But Bill Fillmaff is just being a drama queen again.

A&K is a great book btw

P10bostonian · #6 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by circlencircle

I understand what he is getting at but folding AA preflop would never be appropriate...

I def would fold pocket rockets preflop if i have 5 people in front of me going all in. and i have done it...

circlencircle · #7 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by P10bostonian

I def would fold pocket rockets preflop if i have 5 people in front of me going all in. and i have done it...

Point taken and you are right, as is Ramstone, but you are still ahead and with the best odds no matter what the situation.

vrecksler · #8 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by circlencircle

Point taken and you are right, as is Ramstone, but you are still ahead and with the best odds no matter what the situation.

Is this true? What if 4 playes are all in, and unbeknownst to you they have AA, KK, JTs, and 78s? Are your pocket rockets still the favorite here or would something else be statistically favoured?

I am just playing devils advocate here because I would have to think that there is SOME situation where AA is NOT giving the best odds to win. I defer to one of the odds guru's for the answer to this one.

circlencircle · #9 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vrecksler

Is this true? What if 4 playes are all in, and unbeknownst to you they have AA, KK, JTs, and 78s? Are your pocket rockets still the favorite here or would something else be statistically favoured?

I am just playing devils advocate here because I would have to think that there is SOME situation where AA is NOT giving the best odds to win. I defer to one of the odds guru's for the answer to this one.

I have never visited this forum before but found it after a search on google. Seems like they are having a similar conversation...

http://www.unitedpokerforum.com/foru...howtopic=29545

Wylecoyo · #10 (**permalink**) 03-03-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vrecksler

Is this true? What if 4 playes are all in, and unbeknownst to you they have AA, KK, JTs, and 78s? Are your pocket rockets still the favorite here or would something else be statistically favoured?

I am just playing devils advocate here because I would have to think that there is SOME situation where AA is NOT giving the best odds to win. I defer to one of the odds guru's for the answer to this one.

I am by no means an odds guru, but I am pretty sure AA would statistically be the favorite in this situation. The problem is that the increased number of opponents you would be facing takes your odds of winning from something 85% or so against one player down to about 44% or so against three and even less for more than three. While each of your opponent’s individual percentage of winning is far below yours, you in fact have gone from a clear favorite to something less than a coin toss.

If I were a significantly large stack against three small stacks I would probably take my chances, provided my position allowed me the opportunity to see exactly who was all in and for how much, but if I were an average or small stack my decision would be much harder.