[yeltzen]

I hate hands like these. A lot of people bet a flush draw in that spot, and I didn't want to just call and have a heart or an A, K, Q show up on the river. After the re-raise, it was pretty obvious I was beat by AT, TT, or 66. Discuss.

Hand #11536334-7208 at Tallmadge ($2/$4 Hold'em)
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Started at 07/Feb/06 13:02:42

yeltzen is at seat 9 with $101.75.
The button is at seat 9.

cypressman posts the small blind of $1.
sco678 posts the big blind of $2.

yeltzen: 9d 9c

Pre-flop:
sere folds. Antonescu folds. -Staley- calls.
Bailey22 folds. aul55555 calls. wjkomo folds.
Purewetness folds. yeltzen raises to $4. cypressman
calls. sco678 folds. -Staley- calls. aul55555
calls.

Flop (board: 6h 2d Th):
cypressman checks. -Staley- bets $2. aul55555
folds. yeltzen raises to $4. cypressman calls.
-Staley- re-raises to $6. yeltzen folds. cypressman
calls.

Turn (board: 6h 2d Th Jc):
cypressman checks. -Staley- bets $4. cypressman
calls.

River (board: 6h 2d Th Jc Ad):
cypressman checks. -Staley- bets $4. cypressman
folds. -Staley- is returned $4 (uncalled).

-Staley- wins $40.

[Poboy]

Limit, right?
Looks standard to me. There is a possibility he 3 bet on a draw, but there are too many cards that kill your hand. Even if you're ahead here, you won't be very often once the turn comes. Took your shot at winning the pot, but folding would've been fine too. If you had less opponents that would be different.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by Poboy

Limit, right?
Looks standard to me. There is a possibility he 3 bet on a draw, but there are too many cards that kill your hand. Even if you're ahead here, you won't be very often once the turn comes. Took your shot at winning the pot, but folding would've been fine too. If you had less opponents that would be different.

Yeah, limit... I'm too big of a pud to play NL.
The way the hand turned out, I couldn't have gone any further, anyways. J on the turn, A on the river. I could never have called.

[SpaceMonkey]

Looks like a standard line to take. Villian limp/calls preflop, and then bets/three-bets flop. Could easily be 66 or 22, and you are WB. Unless he's three betting a flush draw (with or w/o overs). Then maybe you can call, but then you have to call/fold to the J and then fold to the river A.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Looks like a standard line to take. Villian limp/calls preflop, and then bets/three-bets flop. Could easily be 66 or 22, and you are WB. Unless he's three betting a flush draw (with or w/o overs). Then maybe you can call, but then you have to call/fold to the J and then fold to the river A.

I get bent out of shape on hands like this. I hate wasting 4 bets on a hand that's marginal to begin with. I tend to forget, though, that I won 2 or 3 nice-sized pots in the same session with the exact same play.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

I get bent out of shape on hands like this. I hate wasting 4 bets on a hand that's marginal to begin with. I tend to forget, though, that I won 2 or 3 nice-sized pots in the same session with the exact same play.

I hear you. I continually have to find ways to convince myself to fold early to save myself 1-3 BB on the turn/river. Again, I like the raise PF, and post-flop calling is just too wimpy. Good play, good fold.

[Poboy]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

Yeah, limit... I'm too big of a pud to play NL.
The way the hand turned out, I couldn't have gone any further, anyways. J on the turn, A on the river. I could never have called.

I play limit too.
'Wasting' 4 bets when they are small is not a big deal. But of course, they are not really wasted. Do you have PokerTracker?

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by Poboy

I play limit too.
'Wasting' 4 bets when they are small is not a big deal. But of course, they are not really wasted. Do you have PokerTracker?

Sure do. C'mon, I'm a poker nerd, of course I have it!

[uncleto]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I hear you. I continually have to find ways to convince myself to fold early to save myself 1-3 BB on the turn/river. Again, I like the raise PF, and post-flop calling is just too wimpy. Good play, good fold.

I agree with most of what your saying here, but I probably would have called the re-raise post-flop and hoped to turn my set. Then with another crappy card coming, I fold on the turn. Reason being, it's one more small bet into a pot of 15 small bets with another possible caller behind you. Also, I don't like raise/folding on the same street because it encourages people to take future shots at you with less. Also, I'm a big fan of raising (in position) post flop to try and get the river for free, and bet/folding makes that less likely as well. My two cents.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by uncleto

I agree with most of what your saying here, but I probably would have called the re-raise post-flop and hoped to turn my set. Then with another crappy card coming, I fold on the turn. Reason being, it's one more small bet into a pot of 15 small bets with another possible caller behind you. Also, I don't like raise/folding on the same street because it encourages people to take future shots at you with less. Also, I'm a big fan of raising (in position) post flop to try and get the river for free, and bet/folding makes that less likely as well. My two cents.

Here are the hands he has in my PokerTracker:
AA, AKs, A4o (twice from the blinds), 98s, 55. He won every hand he showed.
Chances are good I was up against a real hand and had to turn my set or get a runner runner straight. I maybe had the odds if you count the runner runner, but I'd have to call another bet on the turn. I agree that folding after a reraise maybe gives off the impression that I'm weak, but it wasn't like I made a habit of this. It was the only time that session I folded to a reraise like that.