[Brent]

EDIT: Be sure to check the bottom of this page for the results. There is more important info to know about this hand down below!



MTT Freeroll, Pokerroom

I'm curious about this hand, take a gander and tell me how it strikes you...


Seat 1: victoria35 ($3,345 in chips)
Seat 2: bdebeez ($190 in chips)
Seat 3: OOOOO ($2,461 in chips)
Seat 4: Ghost1xx ($615 in chips)
Seat 5: birtle ($595 in chips)
Seat 6: Arker ($820 in chips)
Seat 7: dobber2525 ($590 in chips)
Seat 8: XXXXX [ AH,5S ] ($2,850 in chips)
Seat 9: Ashley_anne ($1,934 in chips)
Seat 10: detroit_twin ($705 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
OOOOO posts blind ($50), Ghost1xx posts blind ($100).


PRE-FLOP
3 folds, XXXXX calls $100, Ashley_anne calls $100, 3 folds, OOOOO calls $50, Ghost1xx checks.


FLOP [board cards AS,4D,9D ]
OOOOO bets $400, Ghost1xx folds, XXXXX calls $400, Ashley_anne folds.


TURN [board cards AS,4D,9D,9C ]
OOOOO checks, XXXXX bets $400, OOOOO bets $1,961 and is all-in, XXXXX calls $1,561.



Results to come...

[KudzuKing]

Fold preflop. Full table, plenty of chips, mid position. Your hand is junk.
If you do play it, raise.
This situation is exactly why you fold this hand preflop.
With no read on your opponent, you certainly fold to a check raise.
If he is total maniac, you call. Maybe.

Fold Preflop!

[SingleMaltFan]

(i am still a beginning NL player so with hopes to learn, i offer this)

i agree with out knowing the reads, if you are going to play it, i would raise 2-3x the blinds pre flop maybe you coulda reduce the field one more...also the two calls pre/post flop showed some weakness, makes it easy for the AI to be bluffing or semi bluffing you to believe they are holding a 9 with or without a 4...

if they are betting a four flush as a bluff, you coulda had'em out of the hand with an earlier raise, again, IF you were to play this hand out of position in the first place...

just some thoughts from a player still learning

1malt

[Brent]

Thanks for the good comments so far, guys. As far as reads, OOOOO has been playing very tight. In the last 20 or so hands he has only shown down AA and that's it, and earlier OOOOO had top pair with AJ and XXXXX called down with a losing hand of A2. Whoops!

I will post more info and results after a couple more comments.

[jojobinks]

fold preflop.
fold on the flop.
check the turn.
then check/fold the river.

your kicker's no good.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'd fold this preflop and never look back. You've got plenty of chips and plenty of time to not have to play ace-rag from middle position.

Since you did play, it would have been best to come in for a raise to try to get the blinds or at least buy the button. A5o is not a limping hand. It's way too weak and way too vulnerable.

That said, after his flop bet, I think you're in a raise or fold situation. If you think he's got a better ace, you've got to let it go. If you think you've got the best hand and he's betting a flush draw, you've got to raise to make him pay for that draw.

On the turn, your bet is too small. If you do think he's just on a flush draw, you've just given him 4-1 (and correct) odds to call to see the river. However, once he check-raised all-in, based on your read of him to this point, I can't see how we're best here.

[krw17]

Sounds like XXXXX has too much faith in the Ace. Fold pre-flop and save the chips. These small buy-in tourneys and especially freerolls, most everyone stays around with an ace in their hand. Not much can be beat by the 5 kicker.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by brentobox

Thanks for the good comments so far, guys. As far as reads, OOOOO has been playing very tight. In the last 20 or so hands he has only shown down AA and that's it, and earlier OOOOO had top pair with AJ and XXXXX called down with a losing hand of A2. Whoops!

I will post more info and results after a couple more comments.

Nice play. Sorry, that was sarcasm.

Anyway, the preflop call was horrible. It was folded to you. You DO NOT have a limping hand. You might want to limp with suited connectors, small pocket pair or maaaaaaaaaaybe AA/KK (change of pace move). Either raise or fold (Hint: fold is the right play).

Next, it sounds like you ignored your own read on the opponent(He's played very tight, shown down good hands) and called/bet into/called his all in raise even though you have to feel pretty sure that you're out kicked. Fold to the all in reraise.

To summarize: Don't limp with trash hands from mid position. Don't call large all-in raises from a tight player when a hand plays out this way.

[tomb1]

Agree with Kudzu and others. If you're going to play A5 (a big if in early position), you could play it two ways -- (1) limp like you did, but be prepared to go passive unless you hit a miracle flop. Or (2) you oughta raise, almost treating it like a steal/semi-bluff, though you're in pretty crappy position to steal.

If you spent $300-$400 pre-flop, you'd get some good info from the SB. If he calls, you may be in trouble later, but at least you know he's got something. You "saved" a few bucks without getting any info for it.

When he bet out $400, you lost control of the hand. You certainly fold or raise here (hint: fold). When you just called, you spent the money you saved pre-flop, and still didn't learn anything. Your low kicker is a big problem.

After the turn it looks like rope-a-dope, and unfortunately you're the dope (I've been there many times myself). Could be a bluff from somebody who's using his tight image to buy a pot, but it doesn't feel like it.

[Brent]

Excellent comments from everyone.

Here is the outcome:

RIVER [board cards AS,4D,9D,9C,QH ]


SHOWDOWN
OOOOO shows [ 10D,5D ]
XXXXX shows [ AH,5S ]
XXXXX wins $5,122.


Ok, ok ok....the secret is that I am OOOOO, not XXXXX. Some of you may have figured this out from my last update post. XXXXX had been playing all sorts of junk. No raise preflop led me to believe there were no strong hands out there. The other two guys with chips had been trying to limp in with a lot of junk (Ashley_Anne and XXXXX) and they were often raising with any decent hand.

So yeah, I lead out at this flop for the pot (400). (The BB was sitting away, BTW...making this a 3 way pot). I haven't made any moves like this without a hand so far and sensing weakness preflop with the 2 weak limpers I figure I can take it down right there. As soon as XXXXX calls I figure him for his weak ace. We were in this situation before he when called down with the A2o and lost to my AJ. I check the turn and he makes that small bet, which solidified my read. Rather than just fold or make a weak call for the flush I thought I could push and get him off his weak hand. He really did take a while to think about it too, but then I guess at the last second he must of thought "ahh, F it...it's a freeroll". Either that or he somehow had me magically pegged (which I seriously doubt).

I don't know, pretty silly play by me to begin with on the flop, but I had a read and went with it (I just didn't realize he would call nearly all his chips away with A5o...yikes!)