[jojobinks]

blinds are 50/100 at a ten handed table. starting stacks 10k. i have >16k.

utg is a formerly wild player who's learning quickly and gained a lot of control. she still plays too many hands, but is competent after the flop.

i'm UTG+1
she raises utg to 300.
i have

i'm fairly confident she'll fold to a standard sized reraise, b/c she fears me. i have the table covered.

so what's the play here?

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by jojobinks

blinds are 50/100 at a ten handed table. starting stacks 10k. i have >16k.

utg is a formerly wild player who's learning quickly and gained a lot of control. she still plays too many hands, but is competent after the flop.

i'm UTG+1
she raises utg to 300.
i have

i'm fairly confident she'll fold to a standard sized reraise, b/c she fears me. i have the table covered.

so what's the play here?

You have to raise, there are to many people behind you and if you dont raise they may get in and hit something to make a better hand. I would say raise to about 600 and put the pressure on the rest of the table to fold. If she folds you still make 450 chips and if she calls you only have to deal with one person.

[andrewst2]

Normally I will come over the top in early position with just to case off anyone trying to get a drawing hand. I do this at my home game because to many people will call a bet of 3xBB just to see a flop and they always seem to suck out on me. (I play with a rather loose crowd).

So I guess I am trying to say that I would push it to $5K or so and see how much she likes her hand. I should also puch out anyone with a marginal hand in late position. If someone raises you I say all the better, go all-in. At least you got your money in with the best of it.

Scott

[Spaceman Spiff]

Tough to say without knowing anything about the rest of the table. Are they likely to fold to the raise to 300 even if you just call it or do you risk bringing along 3 or 4 more stragglers? I guess that would be the tricky, risky play to try and isolate without scaring her off.

Maybe a min raise would work? Again, depends on the players. At my game that would raise all kinds of suspicion because I practically never min-raise. But in this case, that might be enough to chase everyone else off but not be too much more for her to call and peel off a flop. If she's afraid of you though, it might not matter. Unless she hammers the flop, she'll probably fold to any more aggression from you.

[jojobinks]

the rest of the table is a mixed bag. the regulars are tight enough to be worried about any non-fold that UTG+1 makes here. there are 3 or 4 players that call and overcall raises with notmuch.

with teh blinds at 50/100 and the average stack at 10k, there're lots of players that'll look to see flops.

[FreckleDaddy]

I would bump it up to around 1200. Lets get this pot started. In my opinion reraising to 600 is too little and 5000 is way too much. Although there's nothing like overbetting with aces and getting called. I did this the other day, the whole table called the big blind, which I was in, I just went allin for 100x the big blind, some guy called with sevens.

But my play is to reraised to around 1200.

fd

[insane_irish]

easy push...lol...j/k

I would come over the top here though. She made a 200 raise (2xBB) right? With your description of the table behind you it sounds like unless they have a monstor there will be 5 folds with any raise by you. A min raise sounds like a bad idea still because you would still get between 3-5 callers (if you are wrong about UTG folding to your "standard" raise). That's too many in my eyes, I'd want to see no more than 2 callers since I'd be out of position. I would push it up by maybe 800-1000 to 1100-1300. That would put it somewhere in the 1/10 of their stack range. Should make the odds enough to only keep around someone with a legitimate hand (unless some of them are even wilder than I am thinking)

Edit: FreckleDaddy beat me too it.

[Spaceman Spiff]

But jojo's OP said that he's fairly confident she'll fold to a standard re-raise. To me, raising anywhere from 900-1200 falls in that "standard" category.

So the trick is finding the number that will still scare off the rest of the table while keeping our UTG player interested. With his table image, seeing a raise and then a re-raise by the first two players, especially when it seems the re-raiser has a reputation as a tough player, I think it will at least make anyone with speculative hands hesitant about getting in there and mixing it up.

At this level in the game, while a big raise may sweep the table and take down a pot of 450, that's not a huge impact to a 10,000 chip stack. I'd rather get some kind of pot going even if that means a risk of having to play it against 2 or 3 other hands and not just heads up.

[jojobinks]

spiff's got it right. i don't want this little pot...i'd like a bit of action. even if i double someone up, i'll have enough chips to maneuver.

i reraise to 800. the table folds to UTG, who calls.

the pot is 1750.
the flop comes KT4 rainbow.

she bets out 1000. she's experienced enough to know the basics of bet sizing (she's not a chronic min-bettor or a 1/2 pot means nothing sort of player).

now what? i have about 15k, and after her bet she's got 8k-9k left.

note: i'm not a fan of bad beat threads...so try not to think along those lines.

[w16227]

RAISE

How much - hard for me to say. I may just do a min raise here to tease the other person a bit. Also - the min rasie now makes it a lot more difficult for any of the other players to call.

I am pretty sre I have played her before - and if this is who I think, then the teaser raise may get a reraise from her as well. Then u can bring the hammer down.