[UPS_MAN1995]

Ok we have three players. The dealer folds and before the small blind can act the big blind goes all-in. The small blind says I call, then the big blind says oh no it's your turn to act. Is the big blinds verbal " all in" binding even though he acted out of turn? The small blind went on just to meet the big blind.Then went all in after the flop and the big blind folded. Knowing the big blinds all in was just a bluff shoudn't his verbal action have to stand?

Thank, Ed

[jojobinks]

i've never read poker rules.

here's my impression though, from listening to those that have:
verbal bets are binding, but not if made out of turn.

he's angle shooting, probably, and needs to be whipped. but the SB needs to know he acts first. if he wants to call the BB's expected allin, he should just go ahead and push. he can't call a bet that hasn't been made yet.

[Double Eagle]

From Robert's Rules of Poker

Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

[w16227]

Originally Posted by Double Eagle

From Robert's Rules of Poker

Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn may be ruled binding if there is no bet, call, or raise by an intervening player acting after the infraction has been committed.

The problem here is determinimg if the action was deliberate. Unles this is a constant problem with the player, then the action out of turn is usually not binding.

The SB should have known this and simply limped in (if he wanted to call). Make some kind of joke - hoping that he still pushes.

[JM]

I remember something similar happening on a WPT show. 3 players one went all in, next to act hadn't said anything yet and the one behind him says 'I call'. The call stood but they made him wait until the next to act took his action. Not exactly the same I know, but similar. If you're down to 3 players, then BB knows whether or not its his turn to act by now. IMO, the verbal declaration stands.

[Pavel6969]

At my home game, if you said it, you meant it. He would be all-in and the small blind could then decide to call or fold.

[coyote]

I think once there was action on that all-in bet, it is binding.

[2_hotty]

Originally Posted by Pavel6969

At my home game, if you said it, you meant it. He would be all-in and the small blind could then decide to call or fold.

Bingo

Same here. Verbal bets are binding, even if they're out of turn. The SB just has the bonus of seeing the action behind him, before he makes his move.

We also have a rule about all ins. Don't say it unless you mean it. No matter how funny you think you are by shouting it out, it's still not funny. So if you say it, you're all in, even if you were joking.

[Strange]

Originally Posted by w16227

The problem here is determinimg if the action was deliberate. Unles this is a constant problem with the player, then the action out of turn is usually not binding.

Well, sorta.

Deliberatley acting out of turn = angle shooting = cheating = find yourself another game buddy.

Accidentally acting out of turn is an accident, sure, but the action should not put other players at a disadvantage, even if it was an accident. The all-in declare should be binding, and the player to their right gets the opportunity to act first knowing that the next player will go all in.

[w16227]

Originally Posted by JM

I remember something similar happening on a WPT show. 3 players one went all in, next to act hadn't said anything yet and the one behind him says 'I call'. The call stood but they made him wait until the next to act took his action. Not exactly the same I know, but similar. If you're down to 3 players, then BB knows whether or not its his turn to act by now. IMO, the verbal declaration stands.

If they made him wait - then it did NOT stand. At least not right away. They had to see what the action of the other player was. Look above at the "Robert's Rules" excrept - the play would stand if the "tweener" folded, thus making no change in the table action. If the other player also raised all-in, then the player who acted out of turn would be able to take whatever action he wanted.

Unless this guy was deliberately playing an angle ( like this is something he does often) the unofficial "rules" of poker (Roberts Rules) and other typical casino type rules indicate that action taken out of turn is not valid and play should continue.

As always - house rules can always be different. So if it is standard at your game for all ins to be held up no matter what - so be it.