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11-29-2005, 03:47 PM
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| | | 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
Ok here's one I'm not sure if I played right last nite, I'm curious to see what you guys think.
Its a $10 SNG and we're down to 3 handed so I'm in the money. $10K total chips on the table, short stack to my right has ~$2000ish which at this point and I believe blinds are at 250/500. Villain on my left has only about $200 more than me and we've each got ~$4000. I've been able to steal several blinds from both and villain got close by calling my semibluff in an earlier hand.
So now I'm on the button with 77 and called the BB (short stack). He folds virtually every time I raise, so I'm trying to trap him here and get him out, hence the limp in with the pp. SB (Villain) raises all in and has me covered by a little bit, this is something he has never done in this tourney. He has either min raised or called and hasn't shown any propensity for stealing. BB folds and is now down to $1450 and will be blinded to death in about an orbit or so.
So if I call here and lose, I'm out and in 3rd. Fold the 7s and we can probably kill off the small stack and go head to head. Since he's never gone all in pre-flop and is pretty much risking his own tournament life here (he'd have less than 1 SB if he's wrong), I have to put him on a monster. I think about it until my time runs out and fold, he doesn't show. I do end up in 2nd place in the end and he doesn't do that move again for the remainder of the tourney either. What do you guys think? 
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11-29-2005, 03:52 PM
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| | | Re: 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
I think you did the right thing.... |
11-29-2005, 03:54 PM
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I would have done the exact same thing.
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11-29-2005, 04:11 PM
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| | | Re: 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
don't trap with 77, it's not likely enough to be good after the flop.
once you limp here, you've got to fold. |
11-29-2005, 04:28 PM
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| | | Re: 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
Good play to fold.
I would put SB on two big cards that he doesn't really want to play, but rather wants to win the pot pre-flop, maybe AK or AQ. If not, then he very likely does have a PP better than yours. There is a very good chance that you are dominated, or at least a coin-flip. Given the way that your opponents are playing (BB folding to pre-flop raises, SB limping or mini-raising), I would fold also because you can still get a lot of mileage with standard pre-flop steal-raises.
You're better off avoiding the close calls and instead keep hammering them with raises. Sound like the outcome proved this to be true. |
11-29-2005, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jojobinks don't trap with 77, it's not likely enough to be good after the flop.
once you limp here, you've got to fold. | Yeah, that was my thought after it was too late lol. But I felt as though I had to mix it up a little bit since they would both fold their blinds if I even min raised and the other two were pretty much swapping chips back & forth.
I'd been playing very aggressively when we were down to 5 & 4 and then 3 players and showing the occassional big hand to back it up. I didn't want to go up against the bigger stack here just in case he had a big hand, since I'd probably be playing for all my chips if I raised and he called (bb would most likely have folded there to any raise).
His typical move in this scenario was to either fold his SB and letting me steal post flop from short stack or calling and then betting after the flop and generally tag teaming on the short stack with me. I'm thinking I probably lost the least amount of chips in this hand that I could have without just folding the 77.
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11-29-2005, 04:29 PM
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Good fold, IMO
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11-29-2005, 04:47 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I think he had a big hand as speakeasy said, but didn't want to play it out. Given his history, I don't think it was Ax or even AA. I think he was more afraid of me pairing an ace on the flop, so I'd put him on pocket paint. Maybe KK or even QQ. Damned tough fold though!
Love to know what he had but he wouldn't even respond to a 'nh' comment, so no getting out of him what he had afterwards.
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| | | Re: 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
Pretty easy fold. You at best would be ahead facing two overcards. |
11-29-2005, 05:10 PM
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| | | Re: 3 handed and in the money, do you call?
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Originally Posted by JM Yeah, that was my thought after it was too late lol. But I felt as though I had to mix it up a little bit since they would both fold their blinds if I even min raised and the other two were pretty much swapping chips back & forth. |
if that's true, then the answer is not to limp more, it's to raise more. you have 4k-ish in chips and the blinds are 750. in what world do you not want to pick up those blinds? with 77, you're happy taking the blinds and moving on. if you get a call and flop a set, that's a bonus.
don't pass up increasing your stack by 20%! raise it up. |
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