[yeltzen]

Hand #8516732-6095 at Daly City ($1/$2 7-card Stud)
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Started at 29/Sep/05 19:21:27

3rd street:

yeltzen: Ks Kc Jc
EvoWG: -- -- 5d
tuxedobay: -- -- 9d
KC53: -- -- 3h
Philbert2020: -- -- Kd
RheaumeNpoker: -- -- Ad
jpl_1: -- -- Js
sendthemhere: -- -- Jd

KC53 brings in for $.50. Philbert2020 folds.
RheaumeNpoker raises to $1. jpl_1 folds.
sendthemhere folds. yeltzen calls. EvoWG folds.
tuxedobay calls. KC53 calls.

Probably should have re-raised here, but I was up against a possible pair of aces showing only a jack with 2 other jacks showing. I would most likely get reraised again and still couldn't be sure I had the best hand even though it would be a good stealing spot.


4th street:

yeltzen: Ks Kc Jc 7s
tuxedobay: -- -- 9d Ac
KC53: -- -- 3h 2s
RheaumeNpoker: -- -- Ad 5h

tuxedobay bets $1. KC53 folds. RheaumeNpoker calls.
yeltzen calls.

Another ace on the board should be good but now he bets out into the raiser. Now there are two possible pairs of aces out there. The ace tuxedobay catches isn't suited so I can't figure he's betting on a draw. The bets are still cheap and I need more evidence before I lay this down.

5th street:

yeltzen: Ks Kc Jc 7s Ah
tuxedobay: -- -- 9d Ac Jh
RheaumeNpoker: -- -- Ad 5h 2h

tuxedobay checks. RheaumeNpoker bets $2. yeltzen
raises to $4. tuxedobay calls. RheaumeNpoker calls.

Bingo. The case jack comes out and I catch an ace. Really unlikely either has a pair of aces now and my hand is probably the best. The original raiser now bets, which is weird. If he really had aces, though, he would have raised on 4th street. So I take advantage of the double bet.


6th street:

yeltzen: Ks Kc Jc 7s Ah Th
tuxedobay: -- -- 9d Ac Jh Tc
RheaumeNpoker: -- -- Ad 5h 2h 6h

tuxedobay checks. RheaumeNpoker bets $2. yeltzen
raises to $4. tuxedobay calls. RheaumeNpoker
re-raises to $6. yeltzen folds. tuxedobay calls.

Original raiser bets out again, I raise... dummy behind me continues to cold call with the most unthreatening board possible (he probably doesn't even realize all the jacks are dead and only one ace is left), and the original raiser re-raises me. Kind of a tough spot. If the original raiser caught a flush, he would have to have a pretty junk hand to start with since he'd have started with 2 hearts and a diamond, and one of the hearts couldn't be an ace (I have it), and he couldn't start with a pair down cause they'd be offsuit. If he started with a pair, it probably wasn't aces, and he played the hand really really weird if it was. But would he reraise with a pair lower than AA? If he caught two pair, it's junky. What would you do? What do you think the two brainiacs have?

In case you didn't know... this is Seven Card Stud, a new-fangled poker game. It's a disgrace that games other than Hold'em exist and I hope someone puts a stop to it, but for now I'll still play it.

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[99%evil]

I'm guessing he had Ah in the hole and either another heart or hit 2 pair.
Tuxedo bay probably hit 2 pair or the straight.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

I'm guessing he had Ah in the hole and either another heart or hit 2 pair.
Tuxedo bay probably hit 2 pair or the straight.

I have the Ah in this hand. That's why I know he didn't start with a pair of Aces and 2 hearts.

[Pavel6969]

I think you should have at least called. Didn't he only raise you another $2? You already had 3 or 4x that invested, another $2 to call is not a big deal, especially when your hand is as good as it is.

[99%evil]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

I have the Ah in this hand. That's why I know he didn't start with a pair of Aces and 2 hearts.

Oh, I can't watch TV and analyze, duh... I don't know. Were you playing any wild cards?

[babujit1]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

...is up with the time, brother? Someone change that junk to EST or something American, at least.

Ummm What time was it?

[scottoc]

since I don't see any others, could tux have rolled up 9's and just be a weak player or doing a possibly dangerous slowplay since everyone else seems so eager to bet? This is online so always think the worse.

[jmda]

7 card stud is a different game than hold'em. The guy is representing a flush and could easily have it or make it one on the river. Yeltzen cannot beat a flush.

My guess is that he has a pair and a flush draw or two pair (QQ likely). Was the hand shown down? Tough fold - I probably would have stuck it out to see the river card, because he is not representing As, by the way he bet. If he has two pair you have outs to beat him (providing he does not have the case A) or a pair and a draw you him beat. If he has a flush or makes one your toast.

Glad to see someone else likes to play something other than just hold'em. I held two tournaments last weekend a SHOE in the afternoon and a Hold'em at night. I did not do well in the SHOE tournament, but finished second in the hold'em (26 players) - the hand that crippled me was 7 card stud I had wired K's vs a pair of Js - the limits had gotten to the point that I was almost all -in and he was. He improved I did not and he went on to win the tourney.

[yeltzen]

Originally Posted by jmda

7 card stud is a different game than hold'em. The guy is representing a flush and could easily have it or make it one on the river. Yeltzen cannot beat a flush.

My guess is that he has a pair and a flush draw or two pair (QQ likely). Was the hand shown down? Tough fold - I probably would have stuck it out to see the river card, because he is not representing As, by the way he bet. If he has two pair you have outs to beat him (providing he does not have the case A) or a pair and a draw you him beat. If he has a flush or makes one your toast.

I'm surprised anyone responded, let alone a couple that knew what the hell I was talking about!

Anyways, the way I looked at it was that all 3 aces were out there. No one thought anyone would believe they had aces. They have to know I've got at least a good pair. The original raiser is saying he can beat that and the other guy is saying, "gawrsh this is fun, dangit!!" If I'm beat by two pair that aren't aces, I have no Jacks to catch, one Ace to catch, one King, 4 Queens, 2 Tens, and 3 Sevens... so 11 cards total. If I'm beat by a straight, I have 4 Queens to catch. If I'm beat by a flush I have no outs.

However, he reraised, and I have a hard time believing he'd do that if he couldn't beat trips. It's possible I'm totally wrong and he's aggressive enough to reraise with a flush draw, but that's very uncommon in Stud. Betting and raising on the come isn't uncommon, but reraising is. So I folded. Here's the results:



7th street:

tuxedobay: -- -- 9d Ac Jh Tc --
RheaumeNpoker: -- -- Ad 5h 2h 6h --

tuxedobay checks. RheaumeNpoker bets $2. tuxedobay
calls.

Showdown:

RheaumeNpoker shows 9h 8h 6d Ad 5h 2h 6h.
RheaumeNpoker has 9h 8h 5h 2h 6h: flush, nine high.
tuxedobay mucks cards.
(tuxedobay has Qc 9c 5s 9d Ac Jh Tc.)


Hand #8516732-6095 Summary:

$1 is raked from a pot of $41.
RheaumeNpoker wins $40 with flush, nine high.

The raiser played the hand really, really weird. Dunno what he was doing. The other guy, well... he's on my buddy list now!

[dimperdoo]

Originally Posted by yeltzen

"gawrsh this is fun, dangit!!"

hayuk, studz fun -ah lahk hah-lo