$5/10 NL at the Rio; Worst. Ruling. Ever.

[bergs]

Originally Posted by jbutler16

over time i expect to make a lot more than $5k from the fish. do you think that other fish who see/hear about sh*t like this still want to play? i do feel sorry for the guy - and if you don't i think you have a serious empathy deficit - but my rationale has zero to do with that. from a completely selfish perspective the ruling and the actions of the players is horrendous for the game.

I see your argument if the table is full of regs. Completely valid. What if the guy calling him on it is either a recreational player or is from out of town and won't capitalize on the anticipated revenue from said fish going forward?

I don't feel sorry for him one bit - don't f#ck around with the words "All-In".

I think that other fish that hear about this realize that you shouldn't say the words "All-In" unless you're all-in.

It'd be an entirely different argument if he hit his chipstack and it fell into the middle or there was any question that he didn't utter the fateful words.

....also, you're assuming the Asian guy is a fish. Obviously what he did was stupid, but that doesn't necessarily translate into him not being a winner player at the game (or a regular, for that matter - unless I missed something in the OP)

[Ronoh]

Originally Posted by rhbergman

I think allowing the "All-In" joke could lead to a future situation where either an angle-shoot becomes possible and causes confusion later in hands with possibly more validity.

You don't "allow" the all in joke... you've seen people warned at your tables yeah?

[courage]

Originally Posted by Ronoh

In the casino even the written rule can be superseded due to the situation and best interest of fairness and the game... this is 100% a judgement call by the floor and they blew it.

Agree with this. Ridiculous ruling, although Asian guy should receive a warning it's obviously not his intent to shove and stupid of the Rio to enforce the letter.

Personal speculation, if it's a white businessman in a sportcoat who does this, ruling would not be the same.

[Ronoh]

Originally Posted by rhbergman

I see your argument if the table is full of regs. Completely valid. What if the guy calling him on it is either a recreational player or is from out of town and won't capitalize on the anticipated revenue from said fish going forward?

I don't feel sorry for him one bit - don't f#ck around with the words "All-In".

I think that other fish that hear about this realize that you shouldn't say the words "All-In" unless you're all-in.

It'd be an entirely different argument if he hit his chipstack and it fell into the middle or there was any question that he didn't utter the fateful words.

....also, you're assuming the Asian guy is a fish. Obviously what he did was stupid, but that doesn't necessarily translate into him not being a winner player at the game (or a regular, for that matter - unless I missed something in the OP)

I'm more of one to want to play and win a fair game... I'm not about to exploit the other guys just because I know the rules better than they do.

[Cristian301]

I personally have had a similar situation while playing at a home game, the stakes were smaller, a lot smaller, however, the house called it same as the scenario up top. i was the lucky one with the winning hand. I called, I had to, but I took the chip stacks the dumby all inner put out, and shoved them back to him.. I said its a gift from me to you..

Nobody at the table objected... However, with all that being said I could do a lot with 5K, especially while chillin in Vegas

But moral goes: Dont eff around with the term "all in"

[badpokerplayer]

Ok....not the worst ruling ever. If you've ever had some ******* do this to you...only to have you get excited and him and the dealer both thinking its hilarious...well then you know why I'd be livid if i was in the hand and his action WASN'T live. (happened to me at the venetian, for over $2k)

However, the floor couldve ruled in best interest of the game and told the players "Obviously his intention was to fold"

However, VERBAL IS BINDING. Unless you've been on the other side(as a dealer/floor/pit..etc) then you ahve no idea how annoying it is to be berated because joe schmoe said "$45" but puts in $40 and then screams "but i only wanted to put in $40!" Well don't friggen say $45 then!

Me...in that situation, though. Wouldve had to rule in best interest of the game. And gave him a stern warning and everyone else at the table as well as the dealer to warn all future dealers that this kind of behavior in the future will result in his action binding.

[Ronoh]

The "letter of the law" in my local casino is that your cards are your betting line as the tables layouts don't have one (hoping they get new layouts made up myself).

I have seen numerous people trying to take advantage of this on people who haven't played there before and the perp ALWAYS gets a warning before it is enforced, as they should.

I can't understand those of you who want any ugly advantage you can get regardless of the common sense of the situation.

[Ronoh]

Originally Posted by badpokerplayer

However, VERBAL IS BINDING. Unless you've been on the other side(as a dealer/floor/pit..etc) then you ahve no idea how annoying it is to be berated because joe schmoe said "$45" but puts in $40 and then screams "but i only wanted to put in $40!" Well don't friggen say $45 then!

Me...in that situation, though. Wouldve had to rule in best interest of the game. And gave him a stern warning and everyone else at the table as well as the dealer to warn all future dealers that this kind of behavior in the future will result in his action binding.

I've been on the other side and a warning is absolutely the correct play

[cdnmoose]

It was the WSOP cash tables, which are over in a week and everybody goes home. There is no long term interest of the game, keep the fish happy etc etc unless you want the fish to return home and feel good about dumping money wherever his home base is. In the end the goal is to get the fish's stack. You have no idea how many rebuys he has in his pocket, or if even you will get another chance at the stack. You take it when you can get it.

I feel sorry for a kid who drops his ice cream cone. I feel sorry and make a small prayer everytime I hear an ambulance. I never feel sorry for those who call for the Whaambulance, especially in a poker game. Home game it might be different but at a casino, never.

[noelsarchs]

all in dude should have immediately picked up his chips and walked away saying come get me m'f'ers!