Not quads over quads but still sucked.

[daschuck77]

I know it was a minmal tournament loss but...

KK in the BB, felt I played it well, felt like a smooth call on the flop was best with a set of K's...then got it in with the best and got clobbered. How many people are waiting to clear their deposit bonuses and plan on bailing out of PS or FT??

The guy just signed up with a new account had a -100% ROI...I am respectable at the moment with one decent SNG win, mostly playing micro stakes cash and tourney...I had 99 about five hands prior where I was all in with low stack flopped a 9, turned quads and doubled up...I thought to myself, 'I am gonna get payback later'...here it is. I've been playing about 2 years, trying to improve overall everyday, play smarter, tighter, but I can't help but not trust online poker. I've been victim to one outers in a live game but this just reeked of 'unrandomness', thinning out a large tournament, and not 'variance'. I could never move to higher stakes or expect playing online to help my live game when crap like this happens so often and I feel snake bit all the time.

PokerStars Game #53486416699: Tournament #342010841, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2010/11/29 20:28:56 ET
Table '342010841 204' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kingchad333 (9602 in chips)
Seat 2: Lucania333 (6504 in chips)
Seat 3: j642b5 (2495 in chips)
Seat 4: n00biachi (5565 in chips)
Seat 5: Hard2Fall (4954 in chips)
Seat 6: froddo1976 (5570 in chips)
Seat 7: Poker_Hai 00 (2600 in chips)
Seat 8: 11nero11 (7453 in chips)
Seat 9: Pepsimand (7002 in chips)
Lucania333: posts small blind 75
j642b5: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to j642b5 [Kd Kh]
n00biachi: folds
Hard2Fall: folds
froddo1976: folds
Poker_Hai 00: raises 150 to 300
11nero11: folds
Pepsimand: folds
kingchad333: folds
Lucania333: folds
j642b5: raises 300 to 600
Poker_Hai 00: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [3h Ac Ks]
j642b5: checks
Poker_Hai 00: bets 300
j642b5: calls 300
*** TURN *** [3h Ac Ks] [As]
j642b5: checks
Poker_Hai 00: bets 450
j642b5: raises 1125 to 1575 and is all-in
Poker_Hai 00: calls 1125
*** RIVER *** [3h Ac Ks As] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
j642b5: shows [Kd Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
Poker_Hai 00: shows [Td Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
Poker_Hai 00 collected 5205 from pot
j642b5 finished the tournament in 1235th place

[osumike11379]

- Make your RR preflop at least 3X the original raise and use that same amount no matter your hand - by min RR you are almost advertising you have KK or more likely AA (not that this guy would notice)

- You need to bet the turn regardless b/c if he doesn't bet you're not getting enough value by the river and you will end up trying to overshove/overbet for value on the river

- It's a 3 outer on the river - It happens - you will take a lot more 2 outers if you keep playing - I have seen only 2 one outers in my online career - Point being that you made the best decision and got it in ahead (obv) - You can't control the rest. If over time you are playing + EV you will see long term results but I wouldn't be too hacked off over a $1 tourny - You can't expect em to be good

[daschuck77]

Thanks Mike, great advice that I will definitely take to heart and I am quickly realizing the low stakes mob doesn't pay much attention to the subtleties of poker.

[lunettesman]

i m like you and dont trust online poker that much. I ve been playing for 5 years. I ve read many books (harrington Holdem 1-3, cash game and online cash game). My results live are decent, play every wednesday a 35+5$ tourney and i am up arround 1k on the year. I ve crushed 1-2 live game everytime i enter a casino in Vegas (3day), Macau (for one week str, Budapest and other places....i had rude bad beats there too (AA vs A2 pf all in and lost)...

I m using Holdem manager and i review every loosing/wining session...i get rake back.

I just cannot beat online cash game!!!! My EV is always so different with my normal value. Last 100 times i had KK i m winning 3.5$ total on blind 5-10ct (true, and i dont slow play KK, i usually go all in PF). I just have real problem to trust internet games...so now i try to focus on live poker. but here in switzerland games are to expensive, the smaller is 5-10$ in casino, not good for a student.

I ve won arround 2k online in a year playing 3$ rebuy tourney (won a couple)...so except the deep lucky run in those tourney i ve never could fight online poker...

[meatboy]

min raise pre and call on the flop is a very bad play...

3bet 1200 pre, push AI on the flop

[Schu]

welcome to my world... :-P

[Krafticus]

OUCH !!! not sure if that is O/8 or not. If so, I assume the flop was checked, and the turn brings the low draw now for a chop.

If not O/8.. wtf !!

As for the OP, I just don't understand the min raise???

Mark

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by Schu

welcome to my world... :-P

Please tell me that was PLO8 (and not just high) and that the chips went in on the turn. Otherwise, I have no idea what villain was thinking there.

[Schu]

ahh.. what can you do when you're playing on the practice tables. PLO hi and i was thinking the same thing as you are... wtf. I am sure he thought I only had trips.

[bbb_forever]

As a railbird, that is a brutal yet hilarious hand at the same time.

I've actually come to expect that type of crap for online poker.

Here are two hands that I folded pre-flop due to various factors.
IF I had played them, they would have been spectacular!
I don't mind that I folded.
But it sure does look like "unrandomness" to me.

Online poker seems totally rigged to get as many hand participants into trouble as possible.

---------------------------------
Action players at the table.
I fold a hand that I normally play because there are a lot of action players at the table. So I'm trying to avoid trouble in mid position.
KJ shoves pre-flop for $735.
66 insta-calls.
AA shoves all-in for $1210.
66 is now committed to calling additional $475 due to large pot size.
Rigged.

I would've flopped two pair which then becomes a Royal Flush?!? Seriously?!? Heh.
And everyone else gets a straight to chop the pot.



If I remember correctly...
JJ opens with a raise.
A6 shoves all-in.
QQ shoves all-in.
I fold 22, no problem.
JJ calls.
A6 flops trips?!? Seriously?!?
Rigged.