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WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

We had our homegame. I was healthy, like 3rd position of 6 players.

I got deal I limped from the small blind. Limp pot. (Still bad position though to raise)

The flop is

I check and was sure to definately make some noise in that hand.

The big blind bet I think 1,000 into 1,800. I took a glance and pushed for about 5,000 total. My hand was pretty powerful but I thought I'd be off best to end this right here.
The BB is what I would consider maybe the best guy excluding myself. He knows about odds and that AJ is a dog against AQ. One guy at my game still doesn't get that.
I instantly knew he didn't like it. So he might has a nine with a good kicker, maybe an overpair what would had been kinda weird but I was sure he doens't have a set.
He said something like "should I call, is the math right?" he knows I take the math pretty seriously since that's the only thing you have against guys that play only one game a week and never reed a strategy atricle or even a poker book.
So I honestly reply "Well, I wouldn't mind to take it down right here, but for the case you call I got some potential."
He again "You got a set?"
And I reply "No, but I think it's a race"

To sum it up he called with K9 and I spiked the 5 for a straight on the turn.
I was pretty sure in that spot that it was at least 50/50 but I just ran poker stove and it said it's 55/45. Concidering the blinds already in the pot it was the right call.
I think I played that hand pretty good and was also right on the math.

I ended up winning the tourney, with my own chips. wuhu, I brought my t-mold blanks with me for the first time.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

I dig it. You're applying some significant pressure to people for their whole stack.

You get to bust a lot of people this way and keep them on their toes. That is as long as you look at it as a semi-bluff.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

eeekk, thanks jayson. make that 9 a 7

edit: I guess I'm nuts, how can I make a straight with a 4 there...
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

That's funny because depending upon the player, I might fold to a bet in that spot. The thing is, you might make a straight but two of your outs are gone because of the flush draw. I mean, what good is the next card that completes your straight when it also makes a flush on the board, then what do you do?

If I was in 3rd spot in chips and otherwise in good shape, I might lay that down and wait till I had a better spot.

That all said, I'm sure someone will roundly shout me down.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

Hm, I didn't put him on a flush draw. Doens't make much sense.

First, why should be bet almost the pot holding a draw and secondly why should he call an all in on a flush draw?


For the case he flopped the straight, well, than he got me.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

he could have A7c giving him the multi-draw, or A6c giving him flush draw and pair.

On a monotone board your hand is strong, but you have to assume you have lost some outs with the flush draw out there.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

That is why I luv poker so much because everyone plays different.

Can you imagine if we all play the same way? It would be boring.
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he could have A7c giving him the multi-draw, or A6c giving him flush draw and pair.
Yeah maybe but you have to keep in mind the he has to call my all in. So even with these hands he doen't have the odds to call.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

If he has A7c (provided you aren't playing T7, or 75) he has a lot of outs (1 not to lose the hand, and 9 to win the hand outright. And thats assuming you have the straight draw/set

If he isn't thinking about you having the straight/straight draw, and that you have a set/2 pair, then he has 15 outs to make either the straight or flush, which would make him the slight favourite.

In his situation, I would be thinking that your move was defensive so: a set, overpair, 2 pair, or possible straight defending against the flush draw.

I think given these scenarios he has enough equity in the hand to call.
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Re: WWYD: middle pair and open ender all in

I could/would have put him on a flush draw with the hands noted or really any two suited connectors - just like you had.

As for the hand, I probably would have bet out and then folded to a re-raise, assuming that's what he would do, which is I guess what you were expecting him to do when you check-raised.

As for why would he bet - I bet a lot on drawing hands - semi-bluff as it were. He acts last and his betting (or my betting) in that spot often gets you a free river card. It also may let you take the pot down right there.

There are a lot of ways to have played this hand - I guess my point was that if I was in decent shape chip-wise, I would rather get it in in a better spot.
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