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Old 05-08-2008, 11:31 AM
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T1000 freeze-out tournament. 9 out of 11 players left. I am the big stack with T2350 in the big blind. Blinds at 50-100. 5 players limp in leaving a pot of 650. I look down at Ac-Ad. Did I mention that 5 players limped in. Ca-ching. I raise to 500. Cards are mucked to middle position weak calling station player. Weak calling station player calls. Everyone else gets out. Pot at T1650. Flop comes down with hideous Qs-9s-6s. What the hell could my opponent possibly have. He probably would have pre-flop called with J-J or higher. Maybe A-K. Oh wait, his remaining chip stack is T450. Here are the possible scenarios:

I check--
If he hit this flop(either spades or Q-Q), he goes all in.
If he has just one spade or J-J or K-K, he is going to check and I give him a free card.

I bet minimum or 2x--
If he hit his flop, he goes all in. Will you lay down A-A with the given pot odds? Probably not
If he has one spade or K-K he probably calls. Maybe he would lay down J-J

I put him all in for his remaining 450
If he hit his flop, he calls and I need runner-runner(with a lot of combinations) to survive.
If he has one spade or K-K or J-J, there is a strong possibility that he would fold and I would take down pot right there or he makes the call just taking a chance that I am betting air and liking the strong pot odds. Either way I believe that this is the right play. Even if I go down in flames here I am still right around average chips.

What would you do???


Here's what happened. I go all-in. He calls for his remaining 450 chips. I flip over my A-A knowing that given his call there is a good chance that I am in a world of hurt. He flips over As-Ks. Probably the only hand he could have called the pre-flop raise with that would beat me other than Q-Q. The bastard. I take my lump. As the chips are being raked over to the guy, two people at the table say, "I would have checked that flop. That was nasty." I usually don't respond to that kind of talk. I would rather not educate the people I play with. If the guy would have had a stack that could seriously cripple me or take me out of the tournament, checking or a small bet would have been the correct play. But given the size of the stacks and the pot, I believe I made the right play. What do you think??
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:36 AM
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Re: My bullets get crushed

1550 in the pot, and 450 to put him all in......

Stack sizes play the hand out imo.
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Re: My bullets get crushed

I would shove it - If he has two spades your roasted anyways but checking allows him a free card and If (mention the IF) he has one spade you are letting him draw out - I think you made the right play IMHO
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:14 PM
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Re: My bullets get crushed

If you check would you have folded for 450? If not you might as well make the bet.

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Old 05-08-2008, 12:29 PM
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Re: My bullets get crushed

You made the right play

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Re: My bullets get crushed

This hand is on auto-pilot after he calls your pre-flop raise.

You've AA and his range could be anything. Give him a chance to fold if he missed and don't let him sneak a free card. A small bet or no bet is a bad play here.
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Re: My bullets get crushed

You made the right play. Like you said, if he calls right away you know he flopped it. You can't do anything about that. But if he didn't flop it, I would want to put the pressure on him.
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Re: My bullets get crushed

As soon as he calls - there's no flop that could come that you won't open bet to put him all in. No discussion necessary.
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