[broncoboss]

HOME POKER TOURNAMENT $30 BUY IN DEEP STACK EVENT
ROUND 4 BLINDS 100/200 PAYS 3 SPOTS STARTED WITH 11 PLAYERS
CHIP COUNTS ARE APPROXIMATE
SEAT 1 (1500)
SEAT 2 (2200)
SEAT 3 (1800)
HERO (4500)
SEAT 5 (1200)
SEAT 6 (3800) LOOSE MANIAC
SEAT 7 (6000) LOOSE PASSIVE(CALLING STATION)
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SEAT 1 SB 100
SEAT 2 BB 200
SEAT 3 FOLDS
HERO RAISES TO 800
SEAT 5 FOLDS
SEAT 6 CALLS 800
SEAT 7 CALL 800
FLOP-------
WHAT WOULD YOU DO? POT IS 2700 I DECIDED TO TAKE THIS POT HERE BEFORE AN ACE HITS BOARD
HERO: BETS 3700 AND IS ALL IN
SEAT 6: FOLDS
SEAT 7: CALLS
THE REST IS SHALL WE SAY.... HISTORY. TOUGH WEEKEND AT THE HOME GAME.

[imthatguy]

I used to do that too, but the only thing that's going to happen is you're going to get called by hands beating you. Bet less and glean information.

[broncoboss]

I understand your thinking. But if another small card hits, I am going to lead out again. If a bigger card hits, I then have to decide what my opponent has. If I check or bet weak, I'm probably going to get rolled by the big stack. If he has something like A-K, he is probably going to fold to a medium sized bet. If he just calls, I am probably going to get the rest of my stack in on the next street anyway.

The way I see it, with this board I am pretty much going to commit my stack anyway. Why not do it right here. Yes, it would be nice to just bet say, 1/2 the pot for 1400. But then I am giving odds to anyone who wants to draw on me. Again if he just called from there, I am going to have to come back with another 1500-2000 bet on the turn if another small card comes.

I know you are trying to keep everybody in that you have beat, but I am guessing that the folks I have beat are guys with A-K, A-Q type hands. I would rather take the pot which makes me chip leader than allow A-K to get home on me.

I just don't see a whole lot of value in value betting here.

[jdunford]

Originally Posted by broncoboss

I understand your thinking. But if another small card hits, I am going to lead out again. If a bigger card hits, I then have to decide what my opponent has. If I check or bet weak, I'm probably going to get rolled by the big stack. If he has something like A-K, he is probably going to fold to a medium sized bet. If he just calls, I am probably going to get the rest of my stack in on the next street anyway.

The way I see it, with this board I am pretty much going to commit my stack anyway. Why not do it right here. Yes, it would be nice to just bet say, 1/2 the pot for 1400. But then I am giving odds to anyone who wants to draw on me. Again if he just called from there, I am going to have to come back with another 1500-2000 bet on the turn if another small card comes.

I know you are trying to keep everybody in that you have beat, but I am guessing that the folks I have beat are guys with A-K, A-Q type hands. I would rather take the pot which makes me chip leader than allow A-K to get home on me.

I just don't see a whole lot of value in value betting here.

I'm not willing to get in a lengthy discussion here, but think of it in terms of expectation value. By over-betting all-in, you get called when you're beat, and you take down the pot when you're ahead. If you bet, say, just over half the pot (1500), then you take down the pot when your opponent has nothing, but you might get a call if he has TPTK or some weaker pair (so you can get more profit out of the hand), and if you're raised, you're probably beat (either by a bigger pair or a set or two-pair).

Sure, if you bet, and your opponent calls you down with his set, you'll lose your stack anyway. But it doesn't have to be a "win a small pot or go broke" situation. Also consider if your opponent just calls a "continuation-sized" bet and an A comes on the turn. You check, he bets (hoping you have an A), and you fold. In that situation, at least you live to fight another day.

[StevenH72]

Asuuming you opponents hve AK/AQ, they have a ~24% of hitting by the river, so there is plenty of value in value betting here, simple as.

[PhilTheThrill14]

Originally Posted by jdunford

I'm not willing to get in a lengthy discussion here, but think of it in terms of expectation value. By over-betting all-in, you get called when you're beat, and you take down the pot when you're ahead. If you bet, say, just over half the pot (1500), then you take down the pot when your opponent has nothing, but you might get a call if he has TPTK or some weaker pair (so you can get more profit out of the hand), and if you're raised, you're probably beat (either by a bigger pair or a set or two-pair).

Sure, if you bet, and your opponent calls you down with his set, you'll lose your stack anyway. But it doesn't have to be a "win a small pot or go broke" situation. Also consider if your opponent just calls a "continuation-sized" bet and an A comes on the turn. You check, he bets (hoping you have an A), and you fold. In that situation, at least you live to fight another day.

I don't know - betting 40% (T1500) of our remaining stack is going to lead to some strange situations if he calls.

You've now put in over half your stack........